Answer by Niraj Bidawatka
Because you are in ignorance when you say that Lord Shiva is Supreme. Therefore ISKCON has to give authentic and factual information to you. The Bhagavad Gita is the most authoritative scripture in the entire world. It is considered the essence of all the Upanishads.
Lord Krishna displays His universal form to Lord Brahma – Krishna is source of all Vishnu murtis
You will not find a single verse in the Bhagavad Gita, which states that Lord Shiva is Supreme. The entire Bhagavad Gita states that Lord Krishna is Supreme. Therefore Srila Vyasadeva, the author of the Bhagavad Gita addresses Lord Krishna as “Bhagavan”.
Bhagavad Gita means “the song of God”. Everyone knows that Bhagavad Gita was spoken by Lord Krishna and not by Lord Shiva.
Since ISKCON strictly follows Bhagavad Gita, it states that Lord Krishna is Supreme.
Even Shankaracharya, the incarnation of Lord Shiva, has accepted Bhagavad Gita as the highest authoritative scripture and has directed all his followers to worship Lord Krishna. His famous directions are as follows:
bhaja govindam bhaja govindam
govindam bhaja mudha mate
Sripada Shankaracharya addressed his disciples as fools (mudha mate), because they did not accept Lord Krishna as Supreme. Therefore he directs his foolish disciples to worship Krishna (bhaja govindam) because only Krishna can save them at the time of death.
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You are in ignorance when you called lord Krishna is supreme n only iskcon people are doing propaganda that he is supreme n another one is not but iskcon people are making fights between the devotees of Gods forms either it is lord Krishna or lord shiva or Lord Hanuman or anyone else so please stop creating misunderstanding between devotees of gods n keep chanting Hari Hara name
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What a nonsense explanation. All gods have the highest respect for each other and these idiots are explaining who is supreme who is not.
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Its funny how ISKCON is misleading people by stating Shiva is a demigod and a devotee of Krishna, When there are a thousand stotra from vedas that state that Shiva and Krishna are the same and should not be compared, however people who call Shiva worshipers IGNORANT are IGNORANT themselves as they have no knowledge of Shiv tatva, and their fight to prove Krishna is the greatest, will just deviate them from the actual path. . . . I am a devotee of Krishna as much as Shiva, but dont feel like going to ISKCON any more. Hare Krishna.
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Dear Mr. Mohan Seth,
There is no fight to prove Krishna as the greatest because it is very well established around the world that Krishna is the Supreme Lord. You said that there are a thousand stotras in the Vedas that state that Shiva and Krishna are the same but you could not reproduce even one vedic mantra in support of your averment.
You also could not disprove that the Bhagavad-Gita gita says that Lord Krishna is Supreme. You could not refute our following statement, “You will not find a single verse in the Bhagavad Gita, which states that Lord Shiva is Supreme.” You could not prove that this statement is false.
The Vedas cannot be understood by the lazy and foolish souls of the present age, i.e. Kaliyuga. Therefore Krishna came just prior to the advent of this kaliyuga to present us the Bhagavad gita, which is the essence of all Vedas.
And if the Vedas did state that Krishna and Shiva are one and the same, Krishna would have definitely stated that in the Bhagavad-Gita. But there is no such verse in the Bhagavad-Gita that mentions Krishna and Shiva are one and the same.
In fact, the Bhagavad-Gita all along states that Krishna is the Supreme and that all other demigods are His servants.
You concluded by saying, “I am a devotee of Krishna as much as Shiva, but dont feel like going to ISKCON any more. Hare Krishna.” In response to that I would like to invite you to our ISKCON temples because even Shiva devotees are equally welcome to our temples. There is no such rule that only Krishna’s devotees are allowed into ISKCON temples. We welcome everyone – Shiva devotees, Durga devotees, Muslims, Christians, theists, atheists, the pious and also the impious. There are no restrictions in our organisation. We are just giving factual knowledge.
So I earnestly request you to please start visiting your nearest ISKCON temple and grace us by your august presence.
Hare Krishna.
Yours in the service of Krishna,
Niraj Bidawatka, Editor
The Hare Krishna Revolution
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Sir,
Check “Sukla Yajurved’s” one part called “Rudrasthadhyaaya’s” fifth lesson called “Rudrasuktha”. You will get clear picture that where Shiv stands in hindu mythology and vedas. But still I say there is no comparison in light and darkness. Light is equally important as darkness otherwise this world will not survive as life on earth has survived in comparison with other planets.
1st Mantra of Rudrasukth – Sukla Yajurved
“Namste rudramanyava utothshikhvenamah bahubhya mutathe namaha jaate rudrashivaya tanurgorapapkashini tayanastanvay girishanta bhichakashi hee”
If you can’t read this or understand this then I’ll suggest you to visit any vedic school where you can learn sukla yajurved. One more thing 2nd chapter of rudhrasthadhyaaya is explaining that how a man is vishnu and how vishnu is made up of men and society.
“Bhramnasya mukhma shidbaahu raajnyaha kritaha. Oorutadashya jadvaishayaha padbhyaam shoodra ajayataha.”
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When Lord Krishna shows his VirATa-svarUpa to Arjuna, within the VishvasvarUpa is present Lord Shiva, Lord Ganesha, Lord Indra, Mahadevi, and all of the Vedic Deities.
You are confusing Shiva with Bhairava, a deity which guards the temples of Shakti, or a vairAgI symbolized in human form as the Adiyogi. Higher than Bhairava, ShaMkara resides in KailASa with DevI PAravatI. And, at the highest plane, Shiva-Shakti are united and are no different from the vision of the rAsa-lIlA of Radha-Krishna seen by a paramahaMsa.
You are comparing infinities with infinities. For a Vaishnava, Lord Krishna is supreme. For a Shaiva, Lord Shiva is supreme. Worshiping one or the other only leads one to the ultimate goal of spirituality and never hinders one from the spiritual path. Therefore, one should move past the idea of who is superior and realize that Lord Shiva is inside Lord Krishna’s heart, and therefore he is worthy of being bowed down to, for he is dear to my Lord Krishna.
Until you think this way, in full humility, you will be stuck in maya and will require another birth to learn the universality of godhead.
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For your confirmation you need to read ramayana in which lord Shiva showed viswaroop to lord Rama . hypocrisy at its peak
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In Shiv Puran it’s clearly mentioned that lord shiva is the Supreme God
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Yes but they wont read it, they dont want truth they want propoganda
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Some ISKCON members can behave exhibit a type of fanaticism that does a disservice to the wider philosophy and teachings of Hinduism.
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Actually if read bhagwat geeta then you’ll understand why shree krishna is supreme. First read then comment. Hare krishna
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Simply because ISKCON lives in ignorance…every authentic school of Hinduism accepts that Lord Shiva is Supreme…all the main Vedic verses (which are the highest authority) onlu states about the Supremacy of Lord Shiva.
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Every Sampradaya within the Santana Dharma follows Dharma only when it comes to Adharma vs Dharma. No Sampradaya will follow Adharma. One of the things that ISKCON followers should know is: The most important thing being in the spiritual platform is follow your Sampradaya properly and respect other Sampradayas. If that respect is not given to other Sampradayas and you glorify that your Sampradaya is the only, the Supreme of all and belittle the status of other Sampradays, then their AHANKARA – EGO comes into the picture which means you are still in the material platform bound by EGO and not on the spiritual platform.
To missionary and state and only you knoweth is this. Wise men knoweth, that which sages call by different names, that God is One.
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When a great saint once asked Shiva who is you’re Father. Lord replied Maha Vishnu is my father and saint asked who is his father Lord said four head Brahma is his father. Saint asked who is his father Lord said Am his father. So the trimurthys are one.In Tamil there is a saying Hariyum Shivanum Onnu ariyathavan vayla mannu. Means Lord Shiva and Vishnu is one who ignores this his mouth will be with mud means death.
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We have 4 fingers in our hand and each of them is shorter than longest one. But fact is that each of them is long as per their need in this world and as per their requirement. So, Krishna is supreme as per the world he has created and the as per the his need in this world same thing follows Shiva. He is also supreme power as per his need and requirement in this world. If we will discuss similar topic on our fingers then we will say our index finger must be at the shortest one because lady finger is the supreme power. So, this discussion is foolish and time wasting.
Hare Kirshna – Jai Bholenaath
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Dear Mr Bhupendra Bissa,
We are having some serious discussion based on revealed scriptures. Don’t bring in such foolish analogies such as “the lady finger is the supreme power.”
With Regards,
Niraj Bidawatka, Editor
The Hare Krishna Revolution
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I totaly trust Krishna and feel that he is my father
The many things happens in my life proved it.
I know that how much we think about him than that more he thinks about us😊😊. HARE KRISHNA
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God is within you
When you understand yourself, thoroughly and correctly, you would have understood GOD.
God is nowhere else, because, it is within you.
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I would tell you guys that Shiva is an aspect of life .we shaivites do believe in the physical aspect of this life we are living.Shiva means that which is not ie the state beyond the six senses of what you percieve. When you attain such perfection via Yoga you will tend to see the unison of body and mind brings you to the reality of life ..ie complete knowledge.And this knowledge is about the complete mechanism of human body.When Krishna showed his mouth and the whole world was within his mouth he wanted to show that you will get absolute knowledge if you look inside yourself.You yourself are the path to knowledge through absolute consciousness.
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Hare Krishna.. We all know that Krishna has Supreme Lord and we can believe it because In Bhagwat Gita Sri Krishna says that he is only Supreme Lord and other no one says that he is Supreme Lord…So we simply accept that Krishna is Supreme Lord and he is only God…and Srila Prabhupada said chant Hare Krishna and be happy…😄😄😄😃😃😃😄😄💖💖💖💖 to Krishna..
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I love this simple logic. No overcomplications. Only Lord Krishna has said He Himself is Supreme. No one else has said that. Logic like the gopis, not like Uddhava who was a master of the Vedas and had to be humbled.
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That is the most ignorant comment ever made. Of course Krishna devotee would say Lord Vishnu is supreme and they will use Bhagavad Gita to justify their argument. You do know we have vedas and these vedas existed before the Gita. Lord Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma are types of energy and the supreme energy is Sakti.
Anyways back to your question who’s supreme, Vishnu and Shiva are the same level. One preserves and the other destroys. Even Rama prayed to Shiva before marching to Lanka. So again, don’t show your lack of intelligence and pure ignorance here just because you follow one and blinded by that.
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I can’t believe in this age also this fight about vaishnava and shiva going on!!
The ignorance and arrogance prevails !!
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Hey foolish fellow lord shiva is supreme lord shivas words are bhagavat geetha. Lord krishna learned it from previous birth from lord shiva. Every jeevs go to kailasam for mukthi.
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Lord shiva is foremost. From lord shiva lord vishnu and all other god originate
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Sankarcharyar is not an incarnation of lord shiva
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The question is whether Shankaracharya is an authoritative person or not since he has so many mudha people around him !!
All GOD varieties are same in their different forms and as per your needs and linking .
God displayed himself in different forms.
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Kuch bhi bakwas?
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I totally disapprove ISKONs philosophy. I believe GOD is in different forms and have respect for all sects and do not compare. Please do discriminate the divine power and stop saying superior, inferior etc. It hurts our feelings. We have utmost love and faith for krishna as well as others. So please stop preaching ISKON by degrading other philosophies, saiva philosophy in particular and saying demi god. You have high regard for christianity and buddhists. Why not you have respect for other sects also.
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I totally disapprove ISKON’s philosophy of comparing GODs and making them inferior or superior. I believe God is one in different forms and respect for all sects is a must for a dignified society. Discrimination of Gods and calling them as demi gods hurts the feeling of many of us. When you have respect for Christianity and Buddhism , why don’t you respect other sect of worships also? Again you will quote many books and puranas for Krishna’s superiority. We also love Krishna and realise his greatness . But please stop preaching this kind of discrimination.
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Prabhupada took a package to USA to wean away drug addicts and sex perverts and many others who were simply disillusioned with life during a time of counter revolution, Vietnam war etc
The message had to be very structured. There was no point in teaching these people the Vedic lore “ekam sat, vipra bahuna vadanti” (Truth is one; wise people call it by different names).
So, Prabhupada taught them Krishna Bhakti but failed to inculcate in them a spirit of tolerance.
The very essence of Sanatana Dharma is tolerance to all beliefs and that all these are different manifestations of the same Brahman. The One became many and all in the end merge back into the One.
Coming to Vishnu ans Shiva, both are one and the same. It does not matter who you worship. So says the Vedas.
(शिवाय विष्णु रूपाय शिव रूपाय विष्णवे |
शिवस्य हृदयं विष्णुं विष्णोश्च हृदयं शिवः ||
यथा शिवमयो विष्णुरेवं विष्णुमयः शिवः |
यथाsन्तरम् न पश्यामि तथा में स्वस्तिरायुषि|
यथाsन्तरं न भेदा: स्यु: शिवराघवयोस्तथा||)
Shivaaya Vishnu Roopaaya, Shiva Roopaaya Vishanave |
Shivasya Hrudayam Vishnur, Vishnuscha Hrudayam Shivaha ||
Yatha Shivamayo Vishnuhu, Yevam Vishnu Mayaha Shivaha |
This mantra/sloka is found in the Yajurveda. It can also be found towards the end of the Yajurveda Sandhyavanam.
Meaning: Vishnu and Shiva are the same. Worshipper of Vishnu is pleasing to Shiva and worshiper of Shiva pleases Vishnu.
Krishna is Vishnu’s energy who incarnated on earth for a specific purpose.
This controversy as to who is greater- Shiva or Vishnu should be put to rest.
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Shivaaya Vishnu Roopaaya, Shiva Roopaaya Vishanave |
Shivasya Hrudayam Vishnur, Vishnuscha Hrudayam Shivaha ||
Yatha Shivamayo Vishnuhu, Yevam Vishnu Mayaha Shivaha |
From Yajur Veda.
I see that my previous post has been removed.
I do not expect tolerance from Hare Krishna people!
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Earlier lord Shiva give this Geeta Gyan to vishnu
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Shaivs and Vaishnavas are debating over supremacy of Shiva or Vishnu..
It is similar like saying, weather bangle of gold is more important or necklace of gold?
Both are having different importance, yet both are made of Gold.
Both compliment each other and yet both are unique.
Similarly, Shiva and Vishnu or even any other Gods , are one and the same thing, they acquire their form to do certain things…
That doesn’t mean they should be debated upon…
All Gods have preached mankind and unity,
We should not judge Gods and we should all respect all and respect everyone’s faith…
In times and ages it has been shown that Shiva gave respects to Vishnu, Krishna and Rama …
While Rama, Vishnu and Krishna gave respect to Lord Shiva..
Proving that one God’s supremacy over other will serve us nothing. Although in the process, of judging God’s we do damage our faith.
Have you judged which skill is better for your body?
Seeing with your eyes or listening with your ears.
Either your heart is supreme or your Lungs?
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I will end thua foolish debate by you stupid fake DEVOTTE of iskcon….you don’t have any idea about vedas and upnishad . Only making claims by gita which also you have wrong one and nothing to do with real gita. In gita krishna himslef says one who try to create difference between me and shiva are fools. In same gita krishna says i am also a human and part of true god only not true god himself . In same gita krishna says i am kaal…. Not mahakaal..who is shiva meaning shiva is above everything that he has created everyone but no one has created him or is abobe him. Still we are intelligent enough to beleive and say that shiva and vishnu are noth equal and part of each other. While you pests iskconite are stupid idiots who call themselves DEVOTTE of kriahna and then oppose krishna himself. See let me make thia clear your idiotic mind was reveled when your stupid mahaguru said he has nothing to do with being hindu or part of snatan dharma so when you accept this then who the hell gave you right to even pray to krishna and comment on our gods. Your stupidity is so much that you idiots even want on saying that radha is supreme goddess and durga maa is just demi god. How dare you talk this nonsense and then expect we will keep quiet and let you stay and spread nonsense . Take this as one last warning stop this nonsense of insulting our gods or you will find out what real snatani can do when made angry. It won’t take us much time to beat the hell out of you fake DEVOTTE and throw you out of our land of gods. We will strip you off krishna himslef and put ban complete ban on all of you to ever pray or take name of krishna again. You people should know this that Krishna has told told us that one who is foolish to compare lord shiva to other and even him should be punished with remorse so just shut your mouths and get out or be ready to face us. All it will take is telling naga sadhu of your deeds and words you said about lord Shiva and then there is no one in World who will be able to save you from naga sadhu . So take your filhty selves and leave out country . We reject you completely and don’t even think to argue with me because unlike you fake people i am a brahmin of highest gotra and i have been getting knowledge whole life till this day so pests like you can’t get neat the knowledge i have. And we possess enough power according to our dharma to banish you completely . Stupid half minded people .
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Tell me you stupid iskconite filthy people. What is the meaning of mahakal, devadidev,mahadev,sayamsambhu,maheshwar,god of gods,anadi,anant are these names of krishna or shiva answer me. See we heard enough of your non sense so now its Clear you are not getting this in your minds so the only way left is to beat some sense into you fools. Name me one mahagyru and sages of Himalaya who worship krishna or even say him supreme and not worship shiva. Hell krishna prays to shiva daily go and see in his temple in his seprate chamber he has shivlinga and sit next to him praying always….why is Krishna praying to shiva then tell me you PETHETIC fake DEVOTTE . Understand one thing keep on spreading false knowledge and degrade shiva or druga and maa parvati and we will show you your true place. You and your whole gang will not see us coming and make example out of you idiots so all know that what happens when you speak bad about our dharma and gods without knowing the truth the complete knowledge which none of you ever had even your that old stuoie sirla whatever his name is.
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The lànguage you are using does not qualifies you to be a Brahman
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This false and incomplete information. Adi Shankaracharya was an innate Shakt. He accepted Devi Firm as the highest. He accepted all paths as the path to ultimate Indeterministic God. In Deterministic form he accepted Maa Lalita Tripura Sundari as the deterministic form. He wrote about Narayan , Shiva, Krishna accepted all as paths.
Please read his final book Saundarya Lahiri.
Bhagwat Gita or Bhagwat Mahapuran also talk about the ultimate God but in the form of Krishna. Because for Kalyug God decided the path with least karam kand as the most effective.
Problem with ISCKON is ego in their own path. All puranas are written by Vyasa. During different yugas and kalpas different purana or we can say path are more effective.
For Kalyug is Bhagwat Gita. But this does not mean that Only one from is highest. Choose your path without saying other is lower.
For me Devi Mahashati Parashakti Adishakti is the highest deterministic form.
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Anpadh jahil tujhe pata bhagwad Geeta se bhi purani ishwar geeta hai aur bhagwad Geeta me aadhe sentence ishwar geeta se chori karo gayi hai 😂😂
Ishwar geeta ke naam se pata chalta hai ishwar ki geeta aur usme shiv ko supreme bataya hai
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For the one who misunderstood gita, lord Krishna is the form of the supreme lord, like shiv and durga. In gita, lord Krishna says that the fool who understand me as a body in in misconception, I am beginning less. So how can you say that Krishna is supreme as Krishna is the body that will die someday but the parambramha is the soul which is there in every godly forms i.e. Tripura Sundari. I am shakt, but understand every Purana. Devi Gita says same as Krishna did but for the goddess herself. Because you can’t understand Maya u are sansaric tamasika and didn’t have attained the actual knowledge. Read and understand as well. May my mother goddess give u presence of mind.
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