In conversation with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Prabhupada: “(In Kali yuga), the government men will take up the policy of plunderers and rogues,” that is stated in the Bhagavatam 12.2.8. Dasyu-dharma. Dasyu means plunderer. He catches: “What you have got, give me.” This will be government. “What you have got, give me.” Bas. You cannot say anything. “Law.” Plundering is law. Then where is your government? If killing is law, plundering is law, then what is this government? Government means to give security to the property and life. So when the government will make law, “I can take your life whenever I like, and I can plunder your property as I like,” then where is the law?
Pusta Krishna: The government’s duty, then, is to protect.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is government. That is ksatriya. Ksat trāyate iti ksatriya. Ksat means injury, and one who gives protection from injury, he is ksatriya. Just like Parikshit Maharaja. As soon as he saw that a cow was being killed, immediately he said, “Who are you, rascal? You are trying to kill this cow in my kingdom?” That is ksatriya. And nowadays, even if I kill you, the police will see from there; he’ll not come. This is government. And when the killing is finished, then he will say, “Who is this man?” He’ll note down, “A man is killed.” And then inquiry, and then finished. Who is the man killed and what is happened? Nothing of the sort. Inquiry and finish. Big commission report.
Madhudvisa: They have made a survey in America. They have made a survey that nine out of every ten crimes never get solved in America.
Prabhupada: No, it cannot be solved.
Madhudvisa: So the criminal is very much encouraged, because he has only one chance in ten of getting caught – whether he robs a bank or steals or rapes or something like that.
Prabhupada: But for this purpose they are maintaining huge police force, and you are earning money and tax, that’s all.
Ramesvara: The police, all accept bribes. They all accept bribes or they do some illegal business themselves with the criminals they capture.
Prabhupada: Yes, regular… Every criminal has got an organization to bribe the police. And the police does not take directly, and some in-between man, or agent collects from the criminal and gives to the police. In India this is going on. I know that. A via-media man, he makes fortune. Yes. Whatever is collected, ten percent he takes, and balance is given to the police. There is a confectioner in Delhi. He is selling jalebi. You know jalebi?
Prabhupada: He has got ten lakhs of rupees because he collects the bribe from others and pays to the police. Everyone knows. There was one Mullick, on that Mahatma Gandhi Road in Calcutta. His business was that.
Bhagavata: In New York one policeman admitted that when the police would capture the thieves with the stolen goods, then they would confiscate the goods and keep it privately in their homes and sell the stolen goods and get the money for themselves. They would not return it to the owner, but they would utilize it for making money. So they are also thieves.
Prabhupada: So if this is the practice in a country which is so opulent, just imagine what is there in India.
[An excerpt from a morning walk conversation on March 13, 1976 in Mayapur, West Bengal, India]