In conversation with His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda
Prabhupāda: … And you have got your sugar also. In this way organize. Avoid machine. Keep everyone employed as brāhmana, as ksatriya, as vaiçya. Nobody should sit down. Brāhmanas, they are writers, editors, lecturers, instructors, worshiping Deity, ideal character. They have no anxiety for food, for clothing. Others should supply them. They haven’t got to work. Sannyāsi is always preaching, going outside. In this way keep everyone fully engaged. Then it will be ideal. Otherwise people will criticize that we are simply eating and sleeping, escaping, so many, so many. And actually that is the position. Unless one is fully engaged, oh, that is not good. That is tamo-guna. And rajo-guna very active, and sattva-guna, intellectual activity. Both of them, active, only tamo-guna, not active. (indistinct) Tamo-guna means sleeping and laziness. These are the symptoms of tamo-guna. Every saintly man can avoid these two things—laziness and sleeping. Of course, as much you require, sleeping allowed, not more than… And keep everyone active, man or woman-all. Then it will be ideal society.
Nityānanda: Without a machine how can you make sugar from the cane?
Prabhupāda: Hand machine.
Nityānanda: Hand machine?
Prabhupāda: Yes, they manufacture, hand, hand … in the sugar cane, two men. Even we can prepare hand machine by cutting the wood. They do that. We are not against machine. You can utilize machine. But we should not allow others unemployed and use machine. This should be point. You can use. Use machine, that’s good, but not at the risk of keeping others unemployed. This should be noted. First thing is that everyone should be employed. If you have got many men, then why should you engage machine. These rascals, they do not know. They’re taking machine and keeping so many men unemployed. And the welfare department is paying them. They do not know how to organize society. And therefore hippies are coming out. Crime, criminals are coming out. (indistinct) The government is paying for becoming criminals and hippies and prostitutes. And how you can be happy, a society full of prostitutes, hippies, and criminals.
Brahmānanda: In New York City they now have one million people who are receiving welfare.
Prabhupāda: And all criminals.
Brahmānanda: Yes. All criminals, prostitutes, and hippies.
Prabhupāda: Because the government is paying for that, and they are now thinking that “What to do about crime?” This is rascaldom. You act in such a way, then repent later on.
Brahmānanda: There was one boy from Sweden, he was our devotee. And then he fell into māyā. He returned to Sweden. Now he’s getting from the government fifty dollars a week. So he’s using that money to buy drugs. So now he’s completely trapped.
Brahmānanda: He gets money regularly, and he can never get out of the habit.
Prabhupāda: In your country also. One keeps a girlfriend, the girl’s getting welfare, and he is purchasing drugs, and then the husband goes. I have seen. Some of our students have been. I have seen them.
[An excerpt from a room conversation with devotees in New Orleans, August 1, 1975]