Conversations with Srila A. C. Bhaktivedānta Swami Prabhupāda
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, you should not be falsely proud. The whole material world is falsely proud. Their whole program is to defy God. And our program is to declare war against these rascals. Everyone is trying to defy God. What do you think, scientist? (Srila Prabhupāda is addressing Svarupa Dāmodara, a scientist, who became his initiated disciple)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But their duty should have been, the scientists’ duty should have been that “God has created so wonderful things. So glorify God.” That should have been the scientist’s duty, “How nicely He has made!” That is scientist’s duty, everyone’s duty.
Prajāpati: In the early days of science, about three, four hundred years ago, Śrīla Prabhupāda, many of the early scientists were persecuted by the church for their discoveries. So since that time, the scientists have declared war on religion, and they have been doing their best to try to disprove all religious things.
Prabhupāda: What have they discovered? These four hundred years, the scientists said that there is no God?
Prajāpati: No, they were… One scientist, Galileo, he was making all kinds of inquiries into saying that the earth is round and so many things, and the church of that day, the rascal priests, they put him to death because he was saying things that were not in the scriptures. Since that time, especially the last hundred years, the scientists are…
Prabhupāda: No, the thing is that it is the government’s duty to see that nobody is rascal, neither the scientist nor the priest. There must be real understanding. That is the government’s duty. Otherwise, if the priest says, “The scientist speaking against religion; therefore he should be hanged,” so that is not a good government. Government must see that whether the scientist is speaking the truth. That sense must be there. Yes, world is round. That is fact. Goloka. In Vedic literature it is bhū-gola, jagad-anda. These words are there. We can see also it is round, jagad-anda. The universe is round. And Goloka. Or Bhū-gola. Bhū-gola, the earth is round. So in the Vedic literatures… Therefore their knowledge is also imperfect because they do not refer to the Vedic literatures. It is already there. Bhū-gola. Bhū means the earth; gola means round. It is already there. Long, long ago, before Galileo. So if the state is blind, he does not see whether he’s talking right or wrong, then what can be done. That is going on. Because the government means a set of fools, so all foolish people are flourishing. Government is a set of fools because (of) sinful men. They cannot be intelligent. A sinful man cannot be intelligent. Yes. That’s a fact. If he’s intelligent, then his intelligence is used for wrong things. Duskrtina. Krtina means intelligent, but duskrtina, badly intelligent, for doing wrong things.
[Morning walk – December 9, 1973, Los Angeles]
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