Brahma Vishnu and Shiva (L – R)
Once, long ago, on the shore of the river Sarasvati, a discussion arose among a group of sages as to which of the three chief lords-Brahmā, Vishnu or Shiva-is the greatest. They deputed Bhrigu Muni to investigate the matter.
Bhrigu decided to test the lords’ tolerance, for that quality is a sure sign of greatness. First he entered the court of Lord Brahmā, his father, without offering him any respect. This enraged Brahmā, who suppressed his anger because Bhrigu was his son. Next Bhrigu went to Lord Shiva, his older brother, who rose from his seat to embrace him. But Bhrigu rejected the embrace, calling Shiva a deviant heretic. Just as Shiva was about to kill Bhrigu with his trident, Goddess Pārvati interceded and pacified her husband. Next Bhrigu went to Vaikuntha to test Lord Nārāyana. Going up to the Lord, who was lying with His head on the lap of the goddess of fortune, Bhrigu kicked His chest. But instead of becoming angry, both the Lord and His consort stood up and offered Bhrigu respects. “Welcome,” said the Lord. “Please sit down and rest awhile. Kindly forgive us, dear master, for not noticing your arrival.” When Bhrigu went back to the assembly of sages and told them all that had happened, they concluded that Lord Vishnu is certainly supreme.
Srila Prabhupada comments, “Of course, Lord Vishu is all-merciful. He did not become angry at the activities of Bhrigu Muni, for Bhrigu Muni was a great brāhmana. A brāhmana is to be excused even if he sometimes commits an offense, and Lord Vishnu set the example. Yet it is said that from the time of this incident, the goddess of fortune, Lakshmi, has not been very favorably disposed toward the brāhmanas, and therefore because the goddess of fortune withholds her benedictions from them, the brāhmanas are generally very poor.
“The so-called brahmanas of the Kali-yuga are sometimes very proud that a great brāhmana like Bhrigu Muni could touch the chest of Lord Vishnu with his foot. But in fact when Bhrgu Muni kicked the chest of Lord Visnu it was the greatest offense, although Lord Visnu, being greatly magnanimous, did not take it very seriously.
So when such great personalities like Bhrigu Muni, Parashara Muni, Vasistha, and Atreya, are so much contaminated, what to speak of others? How they will understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead by mental speculation? They will conclude naturally, “Imperson.” That’s all. It is not possible for them to understand God. Only the devotees can understand what is the actual identification of the Absolute Truth.”
[An excerpt from the Srimad Bhagavatam (BBT) Tenth Canto Chapter 89]
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Hi guys, i would just like to say that GOD is ONE. GOD only comes in different forms to fullfill his duties. I think that saying one GOD is better than another just shows how low you are. And one point that you made about Lord Vishnu not getting mad, well they say that Lord Shiva is the one who doesn’t get angry easily and forgives staright away thats why they call him “bholenath.” So to conclude please do not compare GODS.
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Dear Shreya,
You are absolutely correct when you say that God is One. Yes there is only one God and He is Krishna. ekale ishvara krishna ara saba bhrtya.
Lord Chaitanya says, “Krishna is the only one God – everyone else is His servant.” Thus even Lord Vishnu, Lord Shiva and Lord Brahma are the servants of Krishna.
You have told us to not to compare Gods. This implies that there are many Gods. But there are aren’t many Gods as you are trying to imply. When there is one God where is the question of comparing. We are not comparing Gods. We are comparing God with demigods. Lord Shiva and Lord Brahma are not Gods, they are demigods and because people have mistaken them as God, we are reproducing the sastras, which say that God is one. And He is Krishna.
The above article is an extract from the Srimad Bhagavatam, which is an authorized text and it is considered the ripened fruit of the Vedic tree. The Bhagavatam gives factual knowledge about the identity of God. It compares the difference between between God and demigods. Lord Vishnu is the original Personailty of Godhead whereas Lord Shiva and Lord Brahma are demigods. So try to assimilate true and factual knowledge from the Bhagavatam and the Bhagavad Gita.
Hare Krishna.
Your servant,
Niraj Bidawatka
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What is God?
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Sir,
Lord Brahma’s Master is Lord Vishnu, no doubt, but Lord Shiva doesn’t has any master as he himself is master of Brahma and Vishnu.
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Miss Nilalohita stop being foolish. You have enough space on your blog to be so. Pls spare us your foolishness. You have no work but to come on this blog and write nonsense, which has no backing from our holy scriptures.
Your habit is the same as of most who are like you… who just say something and if are presented with very strong bonafide counter arguments simply rake up another issue and run away from the point, which was in the first place raised by them they keep using such tactics only fool around with everyone.
In any other yug such dastardly acts were severely reprimanded but today foolery on such topics too has become acceptable.
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rishiexecs,
you are more furious than lord siva and Brahma. Hope you are a follower of Krishna. I want to know who gave the chakram to Vishnu.
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LORD SHIVA GAVE SUDARSHAN CHAKRA TO LORD VISHNU
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SO TRUE ! THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT SONU!
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Right i agree with you.
And the producer of Trishul and Sudarshana is Lord Vishvakarma.
so from your point of view he give it to Lord shiva so by this we conclude that he is supreme.
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No
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Krishna or Vishnu haven’t received chakram from Shiva… Since you wanted to know the answer directly here it is. next time have the decency of addressing the subject with more honesty.
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lord vishnu received it from shiva
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Lord Vishnu is eternally associated with his chakra. So there is no question of anyone giving him a chakra. The story of Shiva giving the Lord the Sudarshana chakra is not accepted by vaidikas.
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Its true one of a moment came when Shiva give him sudershana chakra…
Its true….correct ur knowledge.
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You got a point ! These people are psycho! :p u know some people are too arrogant to accept the truth … but eventually they will distinguish between the lie and the truth. Appreciate your comment!
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Miss rishiexecs, FIRST YOU STOP BEING FOOLISH! BLIND BELIEVER!
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Vasudeva Nanayakkara… the fact that you called me miss is beyond foolish… LOL! Blind Believer… keep ur illiterate epithets to yourself… n don’t waste our time here
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SO TRUE! Shiva is the supreme reality ! Only WISE people will understand that (the truth). Everyone should ACCEPT and RESPECT the truth ! Nilalohita, we appreciate your comment! Thank you!
Om Namah Shivaya !
From SL
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Shiva and His Shakti are Supreme!
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S it’s true but Lord narayana also supreme god head u know
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You are very true…shiva is parathma….he has no start and no end….maha yogi and most important he is har har maha dev (god for the gods).
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Shiva devotees are demons. Ravan is shiva devotee. Vishnu avtar Ram killed Ravan. Hiranyakashyap is shiva devotee narasimha killed hiranyakashyap, hiranyaksha is shiva devotee varaha killed hiranyaksha, kumbhakarna is shiva devotee rama killed kumbhakarna, lord vishnu killed so many shiva devotees in his avatar your shiva never killed single vishnu devotees. Jarasanda is shiva devotee bhima is vishnu devotee bhima killed jarasanda your shiva failed to save his devotees. hahaha. So lord Vishnu created shiva, indra, brahma, etc. Lord vishnu is the supreme god.
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Ram is also a Shiva Devotee who created Rameshwaram sivalinga and worshipped it. SO, by your convoluted logic, Rama (Vishnu) is also a Demon.
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Dear Vijay,
Rama, or Vishnu, is the Supreme Creator and thus He has created everyone, including the demons and the demigods. So, Vishnu is transcendental to the material conception of “being a demon” or “being a demigod”. Rama, being a demon is a figment of your evil imagination.
You may even propose that since Lord Shiva is worshiped by demons, so even Lord Shiva is a demon. But such speculative propositions are incorrect. In fact, Lord Shiva is the greatest devotee of Vishnu: vaishnavanam yatha shambhu. And because Shiva is His greatest devotee, Rama worshipped Shiva.
Worship means “to show respect” and because we do not show any respect and never worship our subordinates, we have assumed that if somebody is worshiping someone, then the worshiped is superior to the worshiper. But, Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is very humble and gracious. He worships His devotees. He even worshipped Sudama but that does not mean Sudama is a greater than Krishna. Similarly, if Shiva was worshiped by Rama, that does not make Shiva a greater God than Krishna, or Rama.
Thanks. Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka
Editor, The Hare Krishna Revolution
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Of Course Mr.vijay vittala. But you should accept a real fact. Lord Narayana(Vishnu) himself a “GREAT DEVOTEE” of Lord Shiva.
For Ex: Lord Rama[Vishnu] worshipped lord shiva for forgiving his sins in rameshwaram after killing ravana. You should understand Lord Shiva who has 3 Eyes. 1st eye(Right) is for Lord Vishnu, 2nd eye(Left) is for Lord Brahma, 3rd eye (Forehead) is for lord Shiva himself.
Both Lord Shiva & Vishnu are great devotees of themselves. Both of them have mutual understanding between them.
Lord Narayana(Vishnu) always think about lord shiva while he is sleeping on anantha in vaikuntham. He said half of his body and his half of the heart is fully dedicated to lord Shiva Only. No one can separate him(Lord Vishnu) from lord shiva.
Nandhi is an avatar of lord Vishnu & Hanuman is an avatar of Lord shiva.
You should also accept that no all devotees of lord shiva are demons. If you say Lord shiva’s devotees are demons it means you are accepting that Lord vishnu is the 1st demon devotee because he is the great devotee of lord shiva.
Lord Shiva–> Great devotee of Lord Vishnu comparing with Alwars.
Lord Vishnu–>Great devotee of Lord Shiva comparing with Nayanmars.
Hope you understood.
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Prajapati daksha was lord vishnu’s devotee..he was killed by lord shiva’s ansh veerbhadra..even when lord vishnu gave him the word that..he will be standing by him if any danger comes infront of him.
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Prajapati Daksha cannot be counted as a devotee of Vishnu. Prajapati Daksha was killed because he insulted Lord Shiva, who is the best among the devotees of Lord Vishnu.
Therefore one should be very careful to not to insult the devotees of Lord Vishnu.
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Nice joke bro I think Lord Vishnu is ur relative or ur seller of Krishna idols in streets that’s why your supporting Vishnu continue bro all the best for ur idol business
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Brahmaa is master of Shiva and Shiva is master of indra these are all just servant only one lord vishnu if this false I will bet you I life time your servant
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bloody fool how dare u sya that Lord shiva is servant of krishna i think u totally uneductaed go head read all vedas u fool Krishna was a prophet and LORD SHIVA is LORD u fool Mind ur language if u are talking about LOrd SHIVA
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Please sir …can you mind your language? Please study shastra properly and you’ll find the truth.
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First you people learn to RESPECT OTHER GODS TOO ! OKAY ?
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THUMBS UP bro !!! You’re correct these people are ASSHOLES! esp; Krishna’s foolish servant
(Niraj Bidawatka) LOL! HAHAHA
Thanks for your great comment !
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shut ur mouth
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dfgg- shiva devotees are demons ravan is shiva devotee vishnu avtar ram killed ravan, hiranyakashyap, is shiva devotee narasimha killed hiranyakashyap, hiranyaksha is shiva devotee varaha killed hiranyaksha, kumbhakarna is shiva devotee rama killed kumbhakarna, our lord vishnu killed so many shiva devotees in his avtars but your shiva never killed single vishnu devotees jarasanda is shiva devotee bhima is vishnu devotee bhima killed jarasanda your shiva failed to save his devotees hahahahaha thirupathi is world richest vishnu temple even his temple is more powerful than other gods so only lord vishnu is supreme god your shiva is servant of our lord vishnu we will say like that what you will do dont bark here
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You are correct Sir. But there is no YOUR SHIVA and OUR VISHNU. AND though lord Shiva is a servent of Lord Vishnu, shiva is still capable to be worshiped by us.
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Idiot first go to school and learn to read and write proper english then come back to this site
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YOU mental beggars LORD SHIVA Is Supreme and Your Krishna is the cobbler of LORD SHIVA.
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man i agree that you said lord shiva is superme but the word you used for krishna is completely unacceptable. if u people know so the TRINITY ie; brahma vishnu and mahesh co-ordinates equally in their particular order. and all are linked wid each other. so if u r using bad words about one god so simply u r also insulting your god.
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True If you insult lord Vishnu(Krishna) it is meant that you insulting lord shiva. If you insulting lord shiva it is meant that you are insulting lord
vishnu. Shiva=Vishnu
Har Har Mahadev!
Om Namo Narayanaya!
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Stupid donkey. You shut ur mouth and go to hell
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SO TRUE! SONU ,THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE! ESP; KRISHNA’S FOOLISH SERVANT –
(Niraj Bidawatka) I think he should go see a psychiatrist first before thinking of becoming a servent of Krishn…:P
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sonu-shut up idiot. Shiva devotees are demons ravan is shiva devotee vishnu avatar ram killed ravan, hiranyakashyap is shiva devotee narasimha killed hiranyakashayp, hiranyaksha is shiva devotee varaha killed hiranyaksha, kumbhakarna is shiva devotee ram killed kumbhakarna, our lord vishnu killled so many shiva devotees in his avatars but your shiva never killed single vishnu devotee. Jarasanda is shva devotee bhima is vishnu devotee bhima killed jarasanda your shiva failed to save his devotees. All shiva devotees are demons. Thirupathi is world richest vishnu temple. Even his temple is more powerful than other gods. Shiva devotees are demons. These demons are more dangerous than Pakistan terrorist lashkar e toiba. So only lord vishnu is the supreme god. So dont bark with half knowledge
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Please respect all gods. it’s your fight. you have no right to use such words for the gods. if you believe in god, then remember that you are saying cobbler to one who protects the universe including you.
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dear sir god cant be compared. in ramayan balkand its given that shree ram is greatest of all brahma vishnu mahesh. it was been proved when in vedic period manu and his wife shatrupa sacrified and prayed for thousands of year and they gained the supreme call “ask what u want”
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Hare Krishna,hare krishna,
Hello respected prabhuji. I am a devotee of Krishna and I really love my Krishna. But I lack in faith my dear sir. Though tears roll out of my eyes when I think of krisna darling my mind is always unsteady. Some times it tries to question Krishna though I love him. I immediately reply it by saying how Krishna put his nama on my forehead when I was a mere child. My mother,grandmother and great grandmother saw the Krishna nama on my fore head. It was white on the sides and red in middle. And just a few days back when I was having a lusty dream suddenly some unknown power came from my heart and I immediately fell asleep. Please kindly help me prabhuji I would like to serve my darling in undeviated faith. I’m not even interested in liberation, even if he grants me liberation I would deny to enter kingdom of god,I would take permission from my krisna to forever remain in vrindavana so that I can constantly hear his chantings ,jappanas,uppasanas, and see janmastami celebrations. I am sure that some day krisna will grant me krisna consciousness because my right eye quivered 4days completely. More over I really love him,so my dear prabhuji please help me
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You need a doctor for your eyes, not krishna. Smh at these fools.
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do not find.i m telling u,both hare krisna comiete and othrs.
when u r closing god Z 1.
AND WHEN U OPEN evrythng z god.
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time will tell
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KRISHNA’S FOOLISH SERVANT YOU’RE A BLIND BELIEVER! WE PITY YOU… MAY GOD MAKE YOU WISE!
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well said brother
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Dear sir,
I think you are wronge about Lord Shiva because it is said in all Vedas that when there was nothing there was nothing there was Shiva and then came Vishnu and from his belly came Brahma. I believe that that Vedas are the oldest sources of knowledge in hindu religion then how can you say that Lord Shiva is a demigod. I think you ate not understanding the meaning of demigods . In greek mythology demigods mean beings who are half gods and half humans. They are basically children of gods and are not immortal like lord Shiva . Some demigods in greek mythology are Hercules (son of Zues) Theseus (Son of Poseidon) and Perseus (son of Zues) and in hindu mythology we see demigods are the Panch Pandavs.
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You must be joking, krishna is a form of Lord vishnu, the hell are you talking about?
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Whoever is not agree with the above written lines should read bhagavad gita(song of god) and try to understand it faithfully . It is said in scriptures like – Bhagavad hits,Upanishads,srimad bhagavatam,etc.
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Firstly, without mocking around the vedic philosophies given by our scholars, we need to understand that this is not a matter of debate or argument winning, but should be regarded as a matter of knowledge. I will not say this question is insensible, but really meaningful for one should understand in right spirit to approach right deities with right notion. Taitriyopanishad says “Deties are many, but God is One”.
With the very limited knowledge I got through Upanyasa, quotes of vedic texts, Upanishads etc. I want to present my opinion and leave it to readers to deny or accept as they wish.
1) When scholars like Meera, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Ramadasa, St.Thiyagaraja never had any doubt on the supremacy of the Lord they worshipped, I wonder why we get perplexed and oscillate between the extremes quite often. There are several lyrics in his Keertana where Thiyagaraja has mentioned that Lord Rama is superior to Brahma, Siva and infact Vishnu (which is really funny when he is incarnation of Vishnu himself, but see how stubborn he is. This is not to be ridiculed, but shows his unalloyed devotion, a man of honour).
2) When fetching water and its feet caught by crocodile, the elephant “Gajendra” called the Lord, says the text. How did he call? It did not chant the name of Siva or Vishnu or Brahma, it uttered the word “Adimulam”. The sanskrit meaning goes thus. Adi – feet, mulam – the reason for the cosmos creation. This is synanymous to uttering “OM”, the one without an origin and finish. The narration by Narada is that Lord Brahma, Indra and Siva denied to go to Gajendra’s rescue saying that they were not called. It seems Garuda flew at a speed of 2.5 times his original speed under the command of Srihari, with Srihari being so nervous to save the elephant from the jaws of Crocodile. So, I feel this gives a strong opinion if Vishnu could be the most Supreme.
3) There are good number of occasions in Ramayan and Mahabharat where Lord Rama and Lord Krishna worshipped Siva. So, we may get a doubt if this signifies Lord Siva’s supremacy. Remember, they are incarnations of Vishnu in the the form of human being. As a human being, they are expected to respect and honour deity(ies) to accomplish certain tasks. Because it is for that purpose deities are created. This does not imply that Siva is superior to Vishnu.
Infact, when atempting to learn flute, Krishna worshipped Goddess Saraswati to take her blessings first. Can we conclude that Saraswati is superior to Vishnu? This argument can never back up the point that Siva is superior to Vishnu.
4) In Ramayan, Sugriva literally weeps to Sriram saying that his brother Bali had already enjoyed Ruma, wife of Sugriva. Sriram promises that he will set all his sarrows aside and will first find out the solution to
Sugriva’s concern without which he will not move out of Kishkindha. Vowing that killing Bali will be the
foremost of his promises, he kills him in the encounter with Sugriv from behind a tree the very next day.
Valmiki Sloga here says “If Sriram decides to punish someone, then even Brahma or Siva could not protect that sinner”. Crosscheck the authenticity of this information in Valmiki Ramayan and accept if convinced.
5) Lord Siva standing while Brahma and Vishnu searching for his head and feet are just texts. There is no authenticity for this information nor any sloka to substantiate this. Actually Brahma was cursed only by
Sage Brigu as he was admiring Saraswati’s capability operating veena and thus did not notice Brigu coming to Brahmaloka. Here is where Brigu jumps into anger and curses Brahma not to have temples or devotees.
6) Parvathi’s question to Lord Siva : Which name of Vishnu, if uttered is equivalent to chanting the thousand names of Vishnu?
Keno Paye Nala guna Vishnur nama sahasrakam
Patyidhair pandi dhayir nithyam stoti michyam yaham prabu
Siva’s reply : Chanting the name of Sriram once is equivalent to chanting one thousand names of vishnu.
Sri rama rama ramethe rame raame manorame
sahasranama thathulyam rama nama varanane…
7) While concluding the story of Mahabharat, Maharishi Vedavyas writes a sloka as below :
Satyam satyam punasatya udhrudya bhujamuchyathe
vedas sastram paramnasthi nadaivam kesavatparam
Meaning :
Promise! Promise! I promise on this Universe! Readers can take this as final conclusion and need not debate further !
Vedas and Upanishads search only the feet of Lord Kesava (Vishnu), for he is only one and the ultimate truth..
8) Parvathi’s question : How do one get peace of mind and avoid fear?
Siva’s reply : If you chant the name of Sriram, you can escape even fear of death and attain everlasting peace. Even, I keep doing that time and again..
Sloka :
Abathama bahartharam thatharam sarva sambadhaam
loka bhiramam sriramam booyo booyo namamyaham…..
9) Vyasa’s advice to get rid of universal attachment :
alotya sarvasasthrani vicharya punnaph punaha
idhamegam sunish bandham dyeyo narayano harii..
Surender to the lotus feet of Lord Narayana to get out of universal attachment and get moksha…
To give stubborn opinion, I think no one else on the planet could be a better scholar than Maharishi Vedavyas, except sage Parashar. Even sage Parashar advises to meditate on Srihari as is the ultimate one.
To argue that Lord Vishnu and Siva are both one and the same, is in a way, escapism and also sinful. Vedas and Upanishads, in many more places strongly command that Lord Vishnu is the supreme personality of Godhead.
No question to Vedas and Upanishads. We only need to be knowledgible enough to understand them. By saying “God is ONE”, mnay people think that all gods (infact demigods) are one. This is wrong perception. Actually it should be understood as “There is only one GOD, rest are deities (having divinity)”. If this is still confusing, read it as “ONE is GOD”. Above text reflects my opinion on “who is that ONE?”
This is not intended to hurt anyone but only reflect what has already been said by Vedic scholars. Lord Vishnu is universal property and is not attached to any inidividual, religion, caste, creed or gender. So also are the other dieties. Anyone could love him and show the same to him the way they feel is correct as long as it is ethical. But instead of looking at it as a debate, look at it from the perpective of whom to surrender to get salvation. We need to have this clarity if at all we are interested to avoid birth and death. Infact, Vishnu does not have a form or character. He will imbibe it based on the time and period when he incarnates.
Krishna clarifies in Gita by reciting in the last, but one Parva.
MAAM EGAM SARANAM VRAJA !!! (Surrender only to me for salvation, for, whoever attains my kingdom need not come to the universe again……)
OM SRI HARI !!!
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So Shreya… tell me as per your logic since you say God is one and he comes in different forms. So I ask you who is that one God who comes in different forms? What according to you would be his real name or as per you God simply has none? Kindly also tell us what is the source of your answer, the exact Quote and its details if it is from a holy scriptures. I see you have gone ahead and stated something. Now we would like you to support your statement with hard facts based on true knowledge coming from…….? If you can rightly fill in the blank.
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I know that TRUTH is ONE. When did replacement of TRUTH by some western word “God” happen?.
God is a English word with specific meaning. We should know that mistranslation of certain unique Sanskrit word will have a huge impact on our dharma principles, philosophies , traditions. Hence, I request you all, not to mistranslate our Sanskrit word with some English words..
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You think that krishna is great. Then this shows the inequality between the gods itself. Then there is no wrong with inequality in the present society . You cant say that only vishnu is great where it may hurt shaivism and if you say shiva is great it may hurt vaishnavism. So better accept all god as great or reject all bloody gods………..
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Conditioned soul frequently gets deluded in to the twin aspects of everything . But knowing about One presence which expresses itself through its manifestation , leads to higher level of understanding . ITS One Presence / Pure Existence / Pure Consciousness through which everything else comes to existence and goes back to Singularity . Pure Consciousness is infinite field of unlimited possibilities , IT is brilliant beyond imagination . This Pure Consciousness is understood by many through different names and forms . If we were to conclude , Its all One with limitless possibilities!!!
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This is the effect of applying judea-Christian view on our dharma principles. One has to realize that he is misapplying and one o one logic when he is unknowingly applying western view on dharma tradition.
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who is supreme krishna or adi parashakti??
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Krishna is Supreme. Adi parashakti (primeval spiritual energy), as the name itself states, is the energy of Krishna. Krishna is the Energetic. There is no existence of the energy without the Energetic. Daivi hy esa gunamayi mama maya [Bg 7.14]. Krishna says that maya (energy) is My divine (daivi) energy. So Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Srimad Bhagavatam proclaims: Krishnas tu bhagavan svayam – “Krishna is God Himself”. Arjuna, after hearing the Bhagavad Gita, understood that Krishna is the Supreme and addressed Krishna as “param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavam” – “O Krishna, you are the Supreme Brahman and the Greatest (paramam).” Without Krishna, adi parashakti has no independent existence. Therefore, as propounded by the Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavatam and the Vedas, Krishna is Supreme.
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There is One Presence , You may call it with any name as you want it to be-Its Consciousness which is Universal , Undivided , Unconditional , All Knowing , All Powerful , and which simply exists eternally…..
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Chakravartiji
Is there any equality between your dad’s age and yours? With your logic kindly count this too as a cause of inequality in the society… if you wish to learn about your holy scripture I suggest instead of passing remarks or statements Go to Iskcon pick up a beginners book and begin reading. Then find yourself a Spiritual Master there and begin to get proper guidance on the subject there.
If you cant do this then don’t at least comment on issues where you so badly lack any reasonable understanding of the subject.
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It’s ADI PARASHAKTHI , my friend .
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No! Only lord vishnu is supreme god
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Whats your POINT – MR GOOFY
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Krishna the god head
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DO NOT FIGHT!!!
WE ARE ARYANS(hindus), WE ALWAYS BELIEVE IN TRUTH .
But niraj u said that krishna is the supreme lord then who is vishnu.
By ur comment i think ur trying to say that vishnu is the incarnation of krishna. Not krishna is the incarnation of vishnu.
Do you know one thing shiva,vishnu,brahma and krishna are just different namesss. But not different gods. Did u heard a slokam here i will tell u.
“omkaramaya porul moonnai pirinjudanae aankaramaythinu thaan thane sakshiyathu bodham varuthuvathinalayi ninnu paramacharya rooppaa hari narayanaya namah…”
meaningggg
the omkara is one thing that have no limit,that have no meaning,that have no
shape,that cannot be seen by anyone.but can bring whole body even the whole universe in equllibrium. This is divided into three brahma the creator like our mother… And vishnu the protector like our father and shiva the destroyer who takes our soull…..
Here i am triying to say that they are one but known in different namesss…. 😀
simplyyyy i can say that even when u say chant the name of sree krishna. U will chant like” ‘om’ sree krishnaya namah or ‘om’ namah shivaya or ‘om’ namo narayanaya or ‘om’ sree brahmeshwaraya namah”
MUST REPLYYY….. 😀
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I am glad that you have clearly understood what we are saying – that Vishnu is the incarnation of Krishna and not vice-versa. This is authoritatively stated in the Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam. Both these exalted scriptures emphatically state that Krishna is the Supreme Lord. Even Lord Brahma, in the Brahma Samhita, says that Lord Krishna is not only his source (Lord Brahma) but also the source of Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva. So your understanding that Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma and Krishna are just different names and that they are not different Gods, is not correct because it is not in harmony with what the aforesaid scriptures proclaim. As far as Omkara is concerned, the Bhagavad Gita says that it is the sound incarnation of Krishna. Krishna is the source of Omkara or pranava. For a complete understanding of Omkara please read OM versus HARE KRISHNA – Which is Better?
Hare Krishna.
Your servant,
Niraj Bidawatka.
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Om Namo Narayanaya Om!
Vedas are Shrutis and they are like Rhythm to the Songs of world religions . Rhythm never dies off but songs keep changing . Shrutis never change but smritis are ever changing.Lord Krishna is One of the Best Expressions of Lord Vishnu .Hence , there is no difference between Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna except for Lord Krishna being an expression of Lord Vishnu . That’s the reason , Lord Vishnu does not incarnate as Lord Vishnu but as ITS expressions(Dasha Avataras-Most famous ones). We have a tendency to believe whatever is seen and not realizing the fact that it is our ability to see things makes seeing possible. And ability to see is in our Consciousness . One of the Highest knowledge in vedas reveal , Whatever we see , smell , hear , taste , feel isn’t real( doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist , it means it is our perceptions). Please understand that our perceptions are in consciousness and not in the perceived world . Hence , IT is Pure Consciousness which is Real and Eternal . IT simply exists . Hence , Lord Vishnu is Supreme Being (Paramatman)/Pure Consciousness with ITS best Expressions (Lord Krishna).
Om Namo Narayanaya Om!
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Dear Mr. Vinay,
You have mentioned that shrutis never change but smritis keep changing. By your statement you are implying that the siddhanta of the smritis keep changing. But it is not so. I would like to point out here that the smritis are respected and accepted as authorities because they are in harmony with what the shrutis state. Thus since smritis are strictly in conformity with the shrutis, the siddhanta (truth) of the smritis never changes.
Please elaborate and explain what the meaning of “expression of Vishnu” is? And also cite a quotation from the either the shruti or the smriti, where it is mentioned that Krishna is an expression of Vishnu. Without the backing of scriptural authority, your statements will have no value.
The fact is that Krishna is the Supreme Lord and Mahavishnu is the first Purusa Avatar of Krishna.This is confirmed in one of the smritis, namely the Brahma Samhita, wherein Lord Brahma emphatically states this fact. From Maha Vishnu, Garbhodaksayi Visnu is manifested and from Him, Ksirodakasay Vishnu. Thus the origin of all the three purusa avataras is Lord Krishna. The Satvata Tantra states that one who knows about these three Vishnus in truth becomes liberated.
The shrutis state, “yasmin vijnate sarvam etad vijnatam bhavati” – “Once you understand Lord Krishna, you come to know and understand everything”.
Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka
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Hey! Servant of Krishna , Om is the Sound of manifestation! . Primordial Word before anything and everything! . Don’t waste your time comparing 2 good vibrations .
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Sir, again, Lord Shiva is the source of Brahma and Vishnu and Krishna is incarnation of Vishnu, not the opposite. And moreover Brahma Samhita is not a Shruti Script but a Pancharatra. So can you kindly provide ample evidences from Shrutis to support your claim? It’s an earnest request.
Thank you.
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Dear Ms. Nilalohita,
Lord Brahma is the most knowledgeable person as far as Vedic knowledge is concerned. There are four bonafide Sampradayas and one of them is Brahma Sampradaya, the chain of disciplic succession starting from Lord Brahma.
The Vedas are meant to be understood through the bonafide spiritual masters, such as Lord Brahma. One cannot understand the Vedas by an academic study. Even if one is great scholar of the Sanskrit language, one cannot understand the Vedas without approaching a bonafide spiritual master.
acaryavan purusu hi veda: It is said that the import of Vedas can be understood only by those, who have taken shelter of a bonafide spiritual master (Acharya).
So the statements of Lord Brahma are in conformity to the shrutis, because he is the perfect knower of the shrutis. You cannot undermine Lord Brahma’s statements.
Thanks. Hare Krishna!
Niraj Bidawatka, Editor – The Hare Krishna Revolution
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Dear Nirajji..
I am myself a Gaudiya Vaishnava and I know Lord Narayana is the vilasa avatara of Lord Krishna. But overall, all forms of Krishna are equal…so you should not say that Vishnu is a servant of Krishna. Krishna is considered superior only on the basis of rasa and not tattva. So be a little careful next time and don’t tell such a thing to anyone not well versed in rasa shastra or Gaudiya Vaishnavism
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Dear Sir, I would like to interrupt here, Lord Parashurama ( an avathar of lord Vishnu) was a pupil of lord Shiva and when he wanted to kill Karthurviryarjuna a king he took permission for his Guru Lord Shiva . Then Lord Shiva taught him Krishna kavacha !!! While krishna was not even born where did this kavacha originate. Krishna is the supreme God head which is also proved in DEVI BHAGAVATHAM. AS the forms of devi is called Vishnu maya.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha… Brahma samhita is not a Shruti script but a pancharatra… hahahahahahahahahaha… Miss Nilalohita… who is your guru? Today he should hang his head in shame forever. You are by far the most dumb idiot ever to have visited any site and written on such sacred scriptures.
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Foolish servant go see a Psychiatrists first
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I am the syllable ommm in the vedas.
Lord Krishna
from geeta
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Surya why are you asking for a reply when you think you have an answer. I’ll give you your answer and I leave it to you if you can understand it. I am giving you the most irrefutable answer straight from Vedas and the very heart of it the gayatri first understand this then only you will appreciate the answer of your question.
SrutaprakAsikAchAryar wrote a commentary, attests that nArAyaNa is without karma (esha sarva-bhUtAntarAtmA apahatapApmA divyo deva: eko nArAyaNa:)
Who is this nArAyaNa then? He is identified as the husband of SrI, Bhu and nilA devi in the purusha suktam (Hrisca te Lakshmisca patnyou). Here, `HrI’ is an epithet of Bhu Devi, Lakshmi denotes Sri Devi and the second `ca’ after Lakshmi denotes the hidden patni, nilA devi (the existence of nilA devi is accepted by Appayya Dikshitar in his yAdavAdbhyudaya vyAkhyAnam as well; he quotes the Harivamsha for pramAnam for the third pathni). He is the being in the Sun with the lotus eyes (tasya yathA kapyAsa pundarIkam evam akshinI) and a moustache. He has a bluish-black complexion (nIlatoyadamadyasta…) and a golden hue due to Lakshmi’s divya tejas spreading from his chest over his body (aditya varnam). He, who is unborn, takes innumerable avatArams (ajAyamAno bahudA vijAyatE). He is identified with Vishnu in the Vishnu GAyatrI:
“Om nArAyaNaya vidmahE, vAsudevAya dimahi, tanno vishnu prachOdayat”.
It should be noted that the gAyatri mantras for other devatas start with `tatpurushAya vidmahE’, whereas the one for Vishnu starts with `nArAyaNa’, which is the proper noun denoting the parabrahman.
For instance, Parvati Pati Rudran’s gAyatri is `tatpurushAya vidmahE mahAdevAya dimahi, tanno rudra prachOdayAt’. The gAyatri for GarudA is `tatpurushAya vidmahE suvarnapakshAya dimahi, tanno garuda prachOdayAt’.
Now what does Krishna say in Gita about “OM”… so see this what Krishna says
Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute
TEXT 8
raso ‘ham apsu kaunteya
prabhasmi sasi-suryayoh
pranavah sarva-vedesu
sabdah khe paurusam nrsu
SYNONYMS
rasaḥ—taste; aham—I; apsu—in water; kaunteya—O son of Kuntī; prabhā asmi—I am the light; śaśi-sūryayoḥ—in the sun and the moon; praṇavaḥ—the three letters A.U.M.; sarva—in all; vedeṣu—in the Vedas; śabdaḥ—sound vibration; khe—in the ether; pauruṣam—ability; nṛṣu—in man.
TRANSLATION
O son of Kuntī [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.
Om is just an aspect of Krishna. Om is non different from Krishna and should be understood as so only. understanding it as anything different is pure ignorance. Infant Neophytes who object to chanting the name Krishna are given the sound OM to chant and by doing that slowly and gradually they advance and forgot their objection to chanting the name Krishna and begin to do that.
here it shows that even though you are very learned in Vedas and a great devotee of Lord yet its not easy to chant the name of Krishna by everyone. They always have a reservation to doing so or find themselves unable for various reasons. Only to the ones who get Krishna Kripa they end up chanting Krishna’s name directly. Doing so itself positions one on the highest platform of Vedic knowledge.
I HOPE I HAVE ANSWERED YOU NOW.
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Adi Parashakti or Almighty Mother is the Supreme.
She says in Devi Gita – “Before the creation, I, only I, existed; nothing else was existent then. My Real Self is known by the names Chit, Sambit (Intelligence), Para Brahma and others. My Âtman is beyond mind, beyond thought, beyond any name or mark, without any parallel, and beyond birth, death or any other change or transformation.”
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Adi Parashakti as the name itself suggest is the primeval energy. Even by common sense, one can understand that any type of energy cannot exist without the Energetic. The Bhagavad Gita informs about the Energetic. Who is that Energetic?
He is Krishna and the para shakti (superior energy) belongs to the Krishna. Since Krishna is Supreme, His energy is also insurmountable (daivi hy esa guna mayi mama maya). We also have energy but it is not insurmountable because we are insignificant creatures whereas Krishna is vibhu, the Greatest. Therefore, His energy is also the greatest, but please remember that His energy is always in control of Him. The energy is not independent of the Energetic. The energy cannot control the Energetic. It is vice-versa.
Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka
Editor, The Hare Krishna Revolution
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There is only One Presence which is Universal , Undivided , Unconditional , All Knowing , All Powerful called Consciousness . It simply exists independent of human perceptions!!!
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Can you tell me any proof that “I” here is adi parashakti
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If vishnu is superior to shiva or vica versa what difference is going to make for you?. If you are born in shaivism family you may tell shiva is greater same with Vishnu. We always pamper our ego that we are great, we are born in such family/religion. When ego is there we are not even nearer to Him. So we don’t have eligibility to talk who is greater.
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Dear Ms. Priya,
We may not have the eligibility to talk who is greater but the sastras (Vedic scriptures) and the acharyas (seers) are quite competent to talk about the subject matter. What we have reproduced in the above article is taken from the Srimad Bhagavatam, the spotless Purana, which is also considered the essence of all the Vedic srciptures.
Because we are not competent to understand who is greater, we need to read the Srimad Bhagavatam and the Bhagavad Gita to understand who is God and whether there are many gods or just one God. Once we read such authorized scriptures, we will understand that Krishna is the Supreme Personality Godhead.
Hare Krishna.
With regards,
Niraj Bidawatka (Editor, The Hare Krishna Revolution)
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Niraj,
I think you , have the ‘ Christian ” Problem !!. They claim themselves to be born sinners! . I know they are however, but they have a solution to it as well !. Jesus is the solution to them , He is the only one , who can give salvation to the Christians as , He is born of a virgin! . As per the Christians , God has given Jesus , an exclusive contract to heal and give salvation to Christian community. Doesn’t that sound funny?. Dear Niraj ,There is nothing called being impure. You don’t have to look upon yourself or the entire human race as bunch of sinners , as Christians do! . We are originally divine! . I mean , our true self is divine . Our problem is to enable our inner faculty and identify our true self . In your case , I am sure , you need to work hard. There is only One Presence called ” Consciousness” which is Undivided , Eternal , Desire less , All Knowing , All powerful , All pervading , And comes to being in any form at any given point in time ! . IT is Supreme and cannot be limited by names and forms !!!.. You can name it and worship it using a form , but that’s not “IT” . Please understand that difference!!!
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One Presence ” Consciousness” is the Supreme Being” . It is known , perceived, understood and propagated as Supreme!!….
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I know from where all of it is coming from. So let me just enhance your knowledge……well Krishna is the Supreme Lord, who rules all of it and resides in his pure form in Golok(the highest tier of Vaikuntha)
There are 3 tattvas
Vishnu tattva
Siva tattva
Jiva tattva
Vishnu tattva is 93% krishna
Jiva tattva (in its purest form Brahma is 70 %)
Siva tattva (is 84%)
We are all jiva but impure. If we become pure we could only be Brahma, not Shiv or Vishnu
Vishnu and His forms are Vishnu tattva with Vishnu as the purest but still not supreme.
Shiva is in between but very different from both,even He is also more or less Krishna,bt still not fully Krishna
There are several Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva ruling there own abodes.
The purest form of shiva is Sadashiva who resides in one of the Vaikunth with Vishnu and worships Krishna. However Shiva is the supreme devotee of Krishna which makes him not less than Vishnu.
Shiva in another of his purest form resides in Golok as Gopiswara.
Well we say one must not praise/hate any one of Shiva and Vishnu more as they both are the highest devotess of Lord Krishna.
Do reply
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Well! Albert Einstein is likely to be the greatest of all after 6000 years from now . This is simply because , in future , people will be so ignorant , that , They will think if you were to speak about common sense in future! .
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Stories are fascinating ! . But much has to be done with what you draw out of them!…
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Whoever dislikes this comment of mine, is stupid for sure!!!
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Viraaj while you are right that Krishna is the original Supreme but there is no difference between Vishnu and Krishna they are both the same. You cannot have a bedh between Vishnu and Krishna. e.g… Krishna when in office ( Vaikunth ) is Vishnu but at home ( golok ) Krishna is in his original attire and is Krishna.
Lord Shiva is not Lord Vishnu or equal to Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu when in contact of material nature is Shiva. The milk and curd analogy comes given to understand this. When milk is heated and added with a sour thing ( material nature ) it becomes curd. The curd is nothing but milk but is yet not milk. Milk can become curd but curd cannot become milk. Likewise the same in the case of Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva.
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HOW COME LORD SHIVA BECOME A FORM OF VISHNU !!!! you ASSHOLE I think you need medication for your insanity!. did you write that comment while you sleepwalking ???
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Shiva is the angry form of Vishnu. Vishnu himself separated his energy and while he is almost equal, he doesn’t possess the same intellect. Shiva doesn’t know where he came from. He meditates to be cool. Also dances. Also has third eye to let out. He wears the garments as suggested by Vishnu to attract demons as they get attracted to such garments. Everything is a play or leela of Him. When Gods didn’t get to understand him, who are you and me?
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Hare Krishna Rishi
pls be a little more respectful by writing hare Krishna at the end of your comment
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A small correction here. A jiva may become eligible to perform the duty of Shiva after excelling in his duty as Brahma. But you can never become Vishnu.
A jiva becoming Shiva is rare but is possible. In this case he becomes a shakti avesha avatara of Sadashiva (who is Vishnu tattva, being an avatara of Mahavishnu). In other kalpas however Vishnu himself accepts the role of Shiva. He does not undergo any transformation though associating with the 3 modes of material nature by his own will.
It is also wrong to say that Vishnu is not completely the supreme. Even Krishna is Vishnu tattva. Every svamsha avatara of Krishna is exactly transcendental like him.Even if Vishnu expands from Krishna there is no difference between them. Only difference is the manifestation of the various mellows (rasa).vishnu/Rama/narasimha etc. contains all the qualities that Krishna possesses. The difference is only that Krishna expresses them to the fullest and the other forms do not express them as much as Krishna (though they have as much and the same quality and rasa that Krishna has).
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This example of somebody testing the gods is the most stupidest example to prove one’s point! These Hare Krishna lot thinks that people are completely brainless to fall for it! You call it a revolution? What a joke!
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Dear Mr. Ashish,
It’s in fact the most intelligent thing to test who the real God is. Yes, brainless people do not fall for it.
One needs a sharp brain to test God. Stupid and dumb fellows accept anyone as God and desist from finding out who the real God is.
Thanks.
Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka
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Lol! . One needs a sharp brain to test God? . It was the best of all the jokes I have read so far! . There is no technology to test your true self . Who ever comments on these lines like , testing sort of stuff is crazy and the one who says , that the person whoever is likely to ‘test God’ must possess sharp brains is truly stupid! . Well! . Both of you , its good if you guys can focus on experiencing your selves a little while!!!..Now ,that may help you…….
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Niraj , Watch out! you will hurt your self now! . Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu . Krishna is one of the best expressions of Consciousness . Vishnu has never incarnated as Vishnu . ITS incarnation is a proof , that IT exists and comes to being at every moment in time. “Consciousness” There are no multiple Gods to choose from! . There is only One with many means to approach! . “Brahman” is Supreme Being . IT is Unborn and eternal . It has independent existence! . I mean , ITs existence is not dependent on what ever we perceive it as we want to!.
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Dear Mr. Vinay,
The Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam, which are considered the essence of all the Upanishads and Puranas, categorically state that Vishnu is the incarnation of Krishna. Krishna is the primeval Personality of Godhead. All other Personalities of Godhead, such as Lord Narayana, Mahavishnu, Garbhodakasayi Vishnu, Ksirodakasayi Vishnu, Vamanadeva, Varahadeva, etc. are all incarnations of Krishna. So please read the scriptures under the guidance of a bonafide spiritual master for understanding the factual difference between Krishna and His incarnations, expansions and energies.
Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka
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Dear Niraj,
Consciousness is Eternal , Undivided ,Unconditional , Universal , Desire less , All Pervading(Everything comes about through IT) , All Knowing(Past , Present & Future) , All Powerful , Omnipresent (Present everywhere all the time) . Lord Krishna has expressed himself to be all of these . So there is no doubt of him being Supreme . But there is no difference between him and Lord Vishnu . They are one and the same . The difference is about your likes and dislikes (Many like the 8 the incarnation of Lord Vishnu . Even I like for its brilliance & beauty) . But that should not distract you of the Ultimate truth Niraj! . For Ex : Every Precious metal is precious for its properties and not its design! . Consciousness is Brilliant and Beautiful in its expression (Lord Vishnu is Brilliant through out ITS Incarnations) . Study Vedas through spiritual perspective . All of your material entanglement will fade off!!!
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Dear Vinay
You are right that there is no difference between Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna. They are one and the same and there cannot be a fight on it. Yet what is a finer knowledge is what Vijay is talking about or trying to express.
I am afraid Vijay should not have brought this in this way on this platform. These are very esoteric knowledge only to be discussed with the one’s who is quite advanced into Vaishnav philosophy.
Now all that you have mentioned about consciousness is right but your understanding expressed to Vijay above about the splendor of the Supreme Immanent is very limited even to his manifestation in the materialistic creation, which as per the Vedas though is endless but yet in comparison is only 1/4 of the Spiritual manifestation.
Let me say this I don’t mean to say you are not ready to receive this knowledge but you need to receive it under the strict supervision of your spiritual guru.
Let me just give you an example. One candle can light many candles like itself, which will be as luminous as itself equal in all qualities with no difference between them but that one candle is none the less the original candle.
In Bhagavatam, Brahma Samhita, Bhagvat Gita, Narshima Upnishad… etc even in Vedas this has been explained. That Krishna is that original candle, whose plenary expansion is Lord Vishnu who is non different than him in all the ways and power but yet not him, which is distinguished by the 4 gunas that Krishna has more in transcendental mellow in pure Spiritual manifestation… Vaikuntha. Yet there is no difference but there is and that is the beauty of it. You need to know that Goddess Laxmi did very brutal
tap / penance for eons so that she be allowed to become the wife of Krishna ( Rukmini ) when he appears in this materialistic world, which she didn’t need to do in any of the avatar of Lord Vishnu as it is given that Lord Vishnu will have Goddess Laxmi as his wife in all the avatar but so was not to be taken for granted when Krishna was to come.
These are secret esoteric knowledge, which are discussed and enjoyed by pure devotee of the Lord who after all their knowledge finally understand the best knowledge is to simply unconditionally surrender on to his lotus feet and love him ( Krishna ) with all your heart and soul because after all their knowledge they only get to discover how little would they ever know about him. Its not the intellect or knowledge by, which you can understand Krishna and conquer him but only through pure love for him can he be yours.
Vijay’s points put across were all true but he should have done so with you in a more delicate manner.
advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam
ādyaḿ purāṇa-puruṣaḿ nava-yauvanaḿ ca
vedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau
govindam ādi-puruṣaḿ tam ahaḿ bhajāmi
SYNONYMS
advaitam — without a second; acyutam — without decay; anādim — without a beginning; ananta-rūpam — whose form is endless, or who possesses unlimited forms; ādyam — the beginning; purāṇa-puruṣam — the most ancient person; nava-yauvanam — a blooming youth; ca — also; vedeṣu — through the Vedas; durlabham — inaccessible; adurlabham — not difficult to obtain; ātma-bhaktau — through pure devotion of the soul; govindam — Govinda; ādi-puruṣam — the original person; tam — Him; aham — I; bhajāmi — worship.
TRANSLATION
I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the Vedas, but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal puruṣa; yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.
PURPORT
Advaita means “indivisible truth who is knowledge absolute.” Brahman, the infinite, emanates from Him as His effulgence and God-immanent (Paramātmā) as His constituent; but nevertheless He remains one and indivisible. Acyuta means that though myriads of avatāras emanate from Him as subjective portions and millions of jīvas as separated spiritual particles, still He remains intact as the undivided whole of fullest perfection. Though He indulges in exhibiting the pastimes of births, etc., still He is without a beginning. Though He disappears after the pastimes of His appearance, still He is eternal. Though without origin, yet He is with an origin in His pastime of appearance; and although eternal in essence, He is still a person in the full bloom of youth. The sum and substance of it is that though He possesses diverse and apparently mutually contradictory qualities, still they are in universal harmonious concordance by dint of His unthinkable potency. This is what is meant by cid-dharma (transcendental nature) as distinguished from the material. His graceful threefold-bending form with flute in hand, possesses eternal blooming youth and is above all unwholesomeness that is to be found in limited time and space. In the transcendental realm there is no past and future but only the unalloyed and immutable present time. In the transcendental sphere there is no distinction between the object and its qualities and no such identity as is found in the limited mundane region. Hence those qualities that seem to be apparently contradictory in the light of mundane conception limited by time and space, exist in agreeable and dainty concordance in the spiritual realm. How can the jīva realize such unprecedented existence? The limited intellectual function of the jīva is always contaminated by the influence of time and space and is, therefore, not in a position to shake off this limitedness. If the potency of cognitive function does not extend to the realization of the transcendental, what else can? In reply. Brahmā says that the transcendental Absolute is beyond the reach of the Vedas. The Vedas originate in sound and sound originates in the mundane ether. So the Vedas cannot present before us a direct view of the transcendental world (Goloka). It is only when the Vedas are imbued with the cit potency that they are enabled to deal with the transcendental. But Goloka reveals itself to every jīva-soul when he is under the influence of the spiritual cognitive potency joined to the essence of ecstatic energy. The ecstatic function of devotion is boundless and is surcharged with unalloyed transcendental knowledge. That knowledge reveals goloka-tattva (the principle of the highest transcendental) in unison with devotion, without asserting itself separately but as a subsidiary to unalloyed devotion.
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Bhagavad Gita is a book to practice ! . I am in total agreement with the “Song of the Divine” Lord Krishna on what ever he had to say! . But I don’t agree with your salad! . I may not question the authenticity of Bagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatam , but I certainly doubt your ability to understand these books!!!..These books are certainly not for person like you who considers material reality to be the absolute reality!!!….
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Vinay why don’t you talk about your understanding which can on merit contradict and prove my understanding of the states scriptures wrong. Pls demonstrate you knowledge of scriptures, Sanskrit grammar and meaning of the words. Pls show and don’t make a statement in air without inducing merit to your argument.
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Visnu is an incarnation of Krishna, Krishna is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, syam bhagavan. It is true that all the Visnu-tattva incarnations including Maha-Visnu are non-different from Krishna, but still Krishna is the origin of them all. This point is confirmed in so many places in the Bhagavad-gita and in so many other Vedic texts also. Where are your quotes from the Bhagavad-gita to say Maha-Visnu is the origin of Krishna? There is no such quote at all. So where have you got the idea from? It is not in the Bhagavad-gita at all.
It is Krishna who is speaking the Bhagavad-gita and all the way through the book He is using the word aham meaning “I”. He says aham sarvasya prabhavo, “I am the source of all the material and spiritual worlds…”
Bhagavad-gita 10.41 The Opulence of the Absolute
yad yad vibhutimat sattvam
srimad urjitam eva va
tat tad evavagaccha tvam
mama tejo-‘msa-sambhavam
Know that all beautiful, glorious, and mighty creations spring from but a spark of My [KRISHNA’S] splendor.
Bhagavad-gita 14.3 The Three Modes Of Material Nature
mama yonir mahad brahma
tasmin garbham dadhamy aham
sambhavah sarva-bhutanam
tato bhavati bharata
The total material substance, called Brahman, is the source of birth, and it is that Brahman that I [KRISHNA] impregnate, making possible the births of all living beings, O son of Bharata.
Bhagavad-gita 14.4 The Three Modes Of Material Nature
sarva-yonisu kaunteya
murtayah sambhavanti yah
tasam brahma mahad yonir
aham bija-pradah pita
It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kunti, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I [KRISHNA] am the seed-giving father.
In this verse it is clearly explained that the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, is the original father of all living entities. The living entities are combinations of the material nature and the spiritual nature. Such living entities are seen not only on this planet, but in every planet, even in the highest, where Brahma is situated. Everywhere there are living entities; within the earth there are living entities, even within water and within fire. All these appearances are due to the mother, material nature, and Krsna’s seed-giving process. The purport is that the living entities, being impregnated in the material world, come out and form at the time of creation according to their past deeds.
Bhagavad-gita 4.7 Transcendental Knowledge
yada yada hi dharmasya
glanir bhavati bharata
abhyutthanam adharmasya
tadatmanam srjamy aham
Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I {KRISHNA] descend Myself.
Bhagavad-gita 7.7 Knowledge of the Absolute
mattah parataram nanyat
kincid asti dhananjaya
mayi sarvam idam protam
sutre mani-gana iva
O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me {KRISHNA]. Everything rests upon Me [KRISHNA], as pearls are strung on a thread.
Bhagavad-gita 9.7 The Most Confidential Knowledge
sarva-bhutani kaunteya
prakrtim yanti mamikam
kalpa-ksaye punas tani
kalpadau visrjamy aham
O son of Kunti, at the end of the millennium every material manifestation enters into My [KRISHNA’S] nature, and at the beginning of another millennium, by [KRISHNA’S] My potency I again create.
Bhagavad-gita 9.10 The Most Confidential Knowledge
mayadhyaksena prakrtih
suyate sa-caracaram
hetunanena kaunteya
jagad viparivartate
This material nature is working under [KRISHNA’S] My direction, O son of Kunti, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.
I have just included a few quotes for your reading, there are hundreds more. But where are the quotes saying Maha-Visnu is the origin of Krishna?
Bhagavad-gita 10.8 The Opulence of the Absolute
aham sarvasya prabhavo
mattah sarvam pravartate
iti matva bhajante mam
budha bhava-samanvitah
I [KRISHNA] am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me [KRISHNA]. The wise who know this perfectly engage in [KRISHNA’S] My devotional service and worship [KRISHNA] Me with all their hearts.
A learned scholar who has studied the Vedas perfectly and has information from authorities like Lord Caitanya and who knows how to apply these teachings can understand that Krsna is the origin of everything in both the material and spiritual worlds, and because he knows this perfectly he becomes firmly fixed in the devotional service of the Supreme Lord. He can never be deviated by any amount of nonsensical commentaries or by fools. All Vedic literature agrees that Krsna is the source of Brahma, Siva and all other demigods. In the Atharva Veda it is said, “yo brahmanam vidadhati: purvam yo vai vedams ca gapayati sma krsnah.” “It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past.” Then again it is said, “atha puruso ha vai narayano ‘kamayata prajah srjeya ity upakramya.” “Then the Supreme Personality Narayana desired to create living entities.” Again it is said:
narayanad brahma jayate, narayanad prajapatih prajayate,
narayanad indro jayate,
narayanad astau vasavo jayante,
narayanad ekadasa
rudra jayante, narayanad dvadasadityah.
“From Narayana, Brahma is born, and from Narayana, the patriarchs are also born. From Narayana, Indra is born, from Narayana the eight Vasus are born, from Narayana the eleven Rudras are born, from Narayana the twelve Adityas are born.”
It is said in the same Vedas, brahmanyo devaki-putrah: “The son of Devaki, Krsna, is the Supreme Personality.” Then it is said:
eko vai narayana asin na brahma na isano napo nagni samau neme
dyav-aprthivi na naksatrani na suryah sa ekaki na ramate tasya
dhyanantah sthasya yatra chandogaih kriyamanastakadi-samjnaka
stuti-stomah stomam ucyate.
“In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no fire, no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun. There was only Krsna, who creates all and enjoys all”
In the many Puranas it is said that Lord Siva was born from the highest, the Supreme Lord Krsna, and the Vedas say that it is the Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahma and Siva, who is to be worshiped. In the Moksa-dharma Krsna also says, prajapatim ca rudram capy aham eva srjami vai tau hi mam na vijanito mama maya-vimohitau. “The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My illusory energy.” In the Varaha Purana it is also said, narayanah paro devas tasmaj jatas caturmukhah tasmad rudro ‘bhavad devah sa ca sarva-jnatam gatah. “Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma was born, from whom Siva was born.”
Lord Krsna is the source of all generations, and He is called the most efficient cause of everything. He says that because “everything is born of Me, I am the original source of all. Everything is under Me; no one is above Me.” There is no supreme controller other than Krsna. One who understands Krsna in such a way from a bona fide spiritual master and from Vedic literature, who engages all his energy in Krsna consciousness, becomes a truly learned man. In comparison to him, all others, who do not know Krsna properly, are but fools. Only a fool would consider Krsna to be an ordinary man. A Krsna conscious person should not be bewildered by fools; he should avoid all unauthorized commentaries and interpretations on Bhagavad-gita and proceed in Krsna consciousness with determination and firmness.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.28 Krsna Is the Source of All Incarnations
ete camsa-kalah pumsah
krsnas tu bhagavan svayam
indrari-vyakulam lokam
mrdayanti yuge yuge
All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Sri Krsna is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.
In this particular stanza Lord Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, is distinguished from other incarnations. He is counted amongst the avataras (incarnations) because out of His causeless mercy the Lord descends from His transcendental abode. Avatara means “one who descends.” All the incarnations of the Lord, including the Lord Himself, descend on the different planets of the material world as also in different species of life to fulfill particular missions. Sometimes He comes Himself, and sometimes His different plenary portions or parts of the plenary portions, or His differentiated portions directly or indirectly empowered by Him, descend on this material world to execute certain specific functions. Originally the Lord is full of all opulences, all prowess, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation. When they are partly manifested through the plenary portions or parts of the plenary portions, it should be noted that certain manifestations of His different powers are required for those particular functions. When in the room small electric bulbs are displayed, it does not mean that the electric powerhouse is limited by the small bulbs. The same powerhouse can supply power to operate large-scale industrial dynamos with greater volts. Similarly, the incarnations of the Lord display limited powers because so much power is needed at that particular time.
According to Srila Jiva Gosvami’s statement, in accordance with authoritative sources, Lord Krsna is the source of all other incarnations. It is not that Lord Krsna has any source of incarnation. All the symptoms of the Supreme Truth in full are present in the person of Lord Sri Krsna, and in the Bhagavad-gita the Lord emphatically declares that there is no truth greater than or equal to Himself. In this stanza the word svayam is particularly mentioned to confirm that Lord Krsna has no other source than Himself. Although in other places the incarnations are described as bhagavan because of their specific functions, nowhere are they declared to be the Supreme Personality. In this stanza the word svayam signifies the supremacy as the summum bonum.
The summum bonum Krsna is one without a second. He Himself has expanded Himself in various parts, portions and particles as svayam-rupa, svayam-prakasa, tad-ekatma, prabhava, vaibhava, vilasa, avatara, avesa, and jivas, all provided with innumerable energies just suitable to the respective persons and personalities. Learned scholars in transcendental subjects have carefully analyzed the summum bonum Krsna to have sixty-four principal attributes. All the expansions or categories of the Lord possess only some percentages of these attributes. But Sri Krsna is the possessor of the attributes cent percent. And His personal expansions such as svayam-prakasa, tad-ekatma up to the categories of the avataras who are all visnu-tattva, possess up to ninety-three percent of these transcendental attributes. Lord Siva, who is neither avatara nor avesa nor in between them, possesses almost eighty-four percent of the attributes. But the jivas, or the individual living beings in different statuses of life, possess up to the limit of seventy-eight percent of the attributes. In the conditioned state of material existence, the living being possesses these attributes in very minute quantity, varying in terms of the pious life of the living being. The most perfect of living beings is Brahma, the supreme administrator of one universe. He possesses seventy-eight percent of the attributes in full. All other demigods have the same attributes in less quantity, whereas human beings possess the attributes in very minute quantity. The standard of perfection for a human being is to develop the attributes up to seventy-eight percent in full. The living being can never possess attributes like Siva, Visnu or Lord Krsna. A living being can become godly by developing the seventy-eight-percent transcendental attributes in fullness, but he can never become a God like Siva, Visnu or Krsna. He can become a Brahma in due course. The godly living beings who are all residents of the planets in the spiritual sky are eternal associates of God in different spiritual planets called Hari-dhama and Mahesa-dhama. The abode of Lord Krsna above all spiritual planets is called Krsnaloka or Goloka Vrndavana, and the perfected living being, by developing seventy-eight percent of the above attributes in fullness, can enter the planet of Krsnaloka after leaving the present material body.
Bhagavad-gita 10.12-13 The Opulence of the Absolute
arjuna uvaca
param brahma param dhama
pavitram paramam bhavan
purusam sasvatam divyam
adi-devam ajam vibhum
ahus tvam rsayah sarve
devarsir naradas tatha
asito devalo vyasah
svayam caiva bravisi me
Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Narada, Asita, Devala, and Vyasa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.
In these two verses the Supreme Lord gives a chance to the modern philosopher, for here it is clear that the Supreme is different from the individual soul. Arjuna, after hearing the essential four verses of Bhagavad-gita in this chapter, became completely free from all doubts and accepted Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He at once boldly declares, “You are Parambrahma, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” And previously Krsna states that He is the originator of everything and everyone. Every demigod and every human being is dependent on Him. Men and demigods, out of ignorance, think that they are absolute and independent of the Supreme Lord Krsna. That ignorance is removed perfectly by the discharge of devotional service. This is already explained in the previous verse by the Lord. Now by His grace, Arjuna is accepting Him as the Supreme Truth, in concordance with the Vedic injunction. It is not because Krsna is an intimate friend of Arjuna that he is flattering Him by calling Him the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute Truth. Whatever Arjuna says in these two verses is confirmed by Vedic truth. Vedic injunctions affirm that only one who takes to devotional service to the Supreme Lord can understand Him, whereas others cannot. Each and every word of this verse spoken by Arjuna is confirmed by Vedic injunction.
Here Arjuna expresses himself through the grace of Krsna. If we want to understand Bhagavad-gita, we should accept the statements in these two verses. This is called the parampara system, acceptance of the disciplic succession. Unless one is in the disciplic succession, he cannot understand Bhagavad-gita. It is not possible by so-called academic education. Unfortunately those proud of their academic education, despite so much evidence in Vedic literatures, stick to their obstinate conviction that Krsna is an ordinary person.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.1.1 Questions by the Sages
om namo bhagavate vasudevaya
janmady asya yato ‘nvayad itaratas carthesv abhijnah svarat
tene brahma hrda ya adi-kavaye muhyanti yat surayah
tejo-vari-mrdam yatha vinimayo yatra tri-sargo ‘mrsa
dhamna svena sada nirasta-kuhakam satyam param dhimahi
O my Lord, Sri Krsna, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Sri Krsna because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmaji, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Sri Krsna, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.
Obeisances unto the Personality of Godhead, Vasudeva, directly indicate Lord Sri Krsna, who is the divine son of Vasudeva and Devaki. This fact will be more explicitly explained in the text of this work. Sri Vyasadeva asserts herein that Sri Krsna is the original Personality of Godhead, and all others are His direct or indirect plenary portions or portions of the portion. Srila Jiva Gosvami has even more explicitly explained the subject matter in his Krsna-sandarbha. And Brahma, the original living being, has explained the subject of Sri Krsna substantially in his treatise named Brahma-samhita. In the Sama-veda Upanisad, it is also stated that Lord Sri Krsna is the divine son of Devaki. Therefore, in this prayer, the first proposition holds that Lord Sri Krsna is the primeval Lord, and if any transcendental nomenclature is to be understood as belonging to the Absolute Personality of Godhead, it must be the name indicated by the word Krsna, which means the all-attractive. In Bhagavad-gita, in many places, the Lord asserts Himself to be the original Personality of Godhead, and this is confirmed by Arjuna, and also by great sages like Narada, Vyasa, and many others. In the Padma Purana, it is also stated that out of the innumerable names of the Lord, the name of Krsna is the principal one. Vasudeva indicates the plenary portion of the Personality of Godhead, and all the different forms of the Lord, being identical with Vasudeva, are indicated in this text. The name Vasudeva particularly indicates the divine son of Vasudeva and Devaki. Sri Krsna is always meditated upon by the paramahamsas, who are the perfected ones among those in the renounced order of life.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.2.28-29 Divinity and Divine Service
vasudeva-para veda
vasudeva-para makhah
vasudeva-para yoga
vasudeva-parah kriyah
vasudeva-param jnanam
vasudeva-param tapah
vasudeva-paro dharmo
vasudeva-para gatih
In the revealed scriptures, the ultimate object of knowledge is Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead. The purpose of performing sacrifice is to please Him. Yoga is for realizing Him. All fruitive activities are ultimately rewarded by Him only. He is supreme knowledge, and all severe austerities are performed to know Him. Religion [dharma] is rendering loving service unto Him. He is the supreme goal of life.
That Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, is the only object of worship is confirmed in these two slokas. In the Vedic literature there is the same objective: establishing one’s relationship and ultimately reviving our lost loving service unto Him. That is the sum and substance of the Vedas. In the Bhagavad-gita the same theory is confirmed by the Lord in His own words: the ultimate purpose of the Vedas is to know Him only. All the revealed scriptures are prepared by the Lord through His incarnation in the body of Srila Vyasadeva just to remind the fallen souls, conditioned by material nature, of Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead. No demigod can award freedom from material bondage. That is the verdict of all the Vedic literatures. Impersonalists who have no information of the Personality of Godhead minimize the omnipotency of the Supreme Lord and put Him on equal footing with all other living beings, and for this act such impersonalists get freedom from material bondage only with great difficulty. They can surrender unto Him only after many, many births in the culture of transcendental knowledge.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.9.18 The Passing Away of Bhismadeva in the Presence of Lord Krsna
esa vai bhagavan saksad
adyo narayanah puman
mohayan mayaya lokam
gudhas carati vrsnisu
This Sri Krsna is no other than the inconceivable, original Personality of Godhead. He is the first Narayana, the supreme enjoyer. But He is moving amongst the descendants of King Vrsni just like one of us and He is bewildering us with His self-created energy.
Here is an authority speaking about Sri Krsna as the original Personality of Godhead and the first Narayana. Even such an impersonalist as Acarya Sankara has said in the beginning of his commentation on the Bhagavad-gita that Narayana, the Personality of Godhead, is beyond the material creation. The universe is one of the material creations, but Narayana is transcendental to such material paraphernalia.
Bhismadeva is one of the twelve mahajanas who know the principles of transcendental knowledge. His confirmation of Lord Sri Krsna’s being the original Personality of Godhead is also corroborated by the impersonalist Sankara. All other acaryas have also confirmed this statement, and thus there is no chance of not accepting Lord Sri Krsna as the original Personality of Godhead. Bhismadeva says that He is the first Narayana. This is also confirmed by Brahmaji in the Bhagavatam (10.14.14). Krsna is the first Narayana. In the spiritual world (Vaikuntha) there are unlimited numbers of Narayanas, who are all the same Personality of Godhead and are considered to be the plenary expansions of the original Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna. The first form of the Lord Sri Krsna first expands Himself as the form of Baladeva, and Baladeva expands in so many other forms, such as Sankarsana, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Vasudeva, Narayana, Purusa, Rama and Nrsimha. All these expansions are one and the same visnu-tattva, and Sri Krsna is the original source of all the plenary expansions. He is therefore the direct Personality of Godhead. He is the creator of the material world, and He is the predominating Deity known as Narayana in all the Vaikuntha planets. Therefore, His movements amongst human beings is another sort of bewilderment. The Lord therefore says in the Bhagavad-gita that foolish persons consider Him to be one of the human beings without knowing the intricacies of His movements.
The bewilderment regarding Sri Krsna is due to the action of His twofold internal and external energies upon the third one, called marginal energy. The living entities are expansions of His marginal energy, and thus they are sometimes bewildered by the internal energy and sometimes by the external energy. By internal energetic bewilderment, Sri Krsna expands Himself into unlimited numbers of Narayanas and exchanges or accepts transcendental loving service from the living entities in the transcendental world. And by His external energetic expansions, He incarnates Himself in the material world amongst the men, animals or demigods to reestablish His forgotten relation with the living entities in different species of life. Great authorities like Bhisma, however, escape His bewilderment by the mercy of the Lord.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.1.19 The Supreme Lord Is Equal to Everyone
sapator asakrd visnum
yad brahma param avyayam
svitro na jato jihvayam
nandham vivisatus tamah
Although these two men–Sisupala and Dantavakra–repeatedly blasphemed the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu [Krsna], the Supreme Brahman, they were quite healthy. Indeed, their tongues were not attacked by white leprosy, nor did they enter the darkest region of hellish life. We are certainly most surprised by this.
Krsna is described by Arjuna in Bhagavad-gita (10.12) as follows: param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan. “You are the Supreme Brahman, the supreme abode and purifier.” Herein this is confirmed. Visnum yad brahma param avyayam. The Supreme Visnu is Krsna. Krsna is the cause of Visnu, not vice versa. Similarly, Brahman is not the cause of Krsna; Krsna is the cause of Brahman. Therefore Krsna is the Parabrahman (yad brahma param avyayam).
Srimad-Bhagavatam 8.21.5 P Bali Maharaja Arrested by the Lord
Vamanadeva first expanded Himself to the universal form and then reduced Himself to the original Vamana-rupa. Thus He acted exactly like Lord Krsna, who, at the request of Arjuna, first showed His universal form and later resumed His original form as Krsna. The Lord can assume any form He likes, but His original form is that of Krsna (krsnas tu bhagavan svayam). According to the capacity of the devotee, the Lord assumes various forms so that the devotee can handle Him. This is His causeless mercy. When Lord Vamanadeva resumed His original form, Lord Brahma and his associates collected various paraphernalia for worship with which to please Him.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 9.24.53-55 Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead
astamas tu tayor asit
svayam eva harih kila
subhadra ca mahabhaga
tava rajan pitamahi
The eight sons born of Sahadeva such as Pravara and Sruta, were exact incarnations of the eight Vasus in the heavenly planets. Vasudeva also begot eight highly qualified sons through the womb of Devaki. These included Kirtiman, Susena, Bhadrasena, Rju, Sammardana, Bhadra and Sankarsana, the controller and serpent incarnation. The eighth son was the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself–Krsna. The highly fortunate Subhadra, the one daughter, was your grandmother.
The fifty-fifth verse says, svayam eva harih kila, indicating that Krsna, the eighth son of Devaki, is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krsna is not an incarnation. Although there is no difference between the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari and His incarnation, Krsna is the original Supreme Person, the complete Godhead. Incarnations exhibit only a certain percentage of the potencies of Godhead; the complete Godhead is Krsna Himself, who appeared as the eighth son of Devaki.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 9.24.56 P Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead
In the present age, the Supreme Personality of Godhead has appeared as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to inaugurate the Hare Krsna movement. At the present time, in Kali-yuga, people are extremely sinful and bad (manda). They have no idea of spiritual life and are misusing the benefits of the human form to live like cats and dogs. Under these circumstances Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has inaugurated the Hare Krsna movement, which is not different from Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. If one associates with this movement, he directly associates with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. People should take advantage of the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra and thus gain relief from all the problems created in this age of Kali.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.8.13 Lord Krsna Shows the Universal Form Within His Mouth
asan varnas trayo hy asya
grhnato ‘nuyugam tanuh
suklo raktas tatha pita
idanim krsnatam gatah
Your son Krsna appears as an incarnation in every millennium. In the past, He assumed three different colors–white, red and yellow–and now He has appeared in a blackish color. [In another Dvapara-yuga, He appeared (as Lord Ramacandra) in the color of suka, a parrot. All such incarnations have now assembled in Krsna.]
It may be noted that Srila Jiva Gosvami, in his book Krama-sandarbha, has enunciated the purport of this verse. In every millennium, Krsna appears in a different form, either as white, red or yellow, but this time He personally appeared in His original, blackish form and, as predicted by Gargamuni, exhibited the power of Narayana. Because in this form the Supreme personality of Godhead exhibits Himself fully, His name is Sri Krsna, the all-attractive.
Factually, Krsna is the source of all avataras, and therefore all the different features of the different avataras are present in Krsna. When Krsna incarnates, all the features of other incarnations are already present within Him. Other incarnations are partial representations of Krsna, who is the full-fledged incarnation of the Supreme Being. It is to be understood that the Supreme Being, whether appearing as sukla, rakta or pita (white, red or yellow), is the same person. When He appears in different incarnations, He appears in different colors, just like the sunshine, which contains seven colors. Sometimes the colors of sunshine are represented separately; otherwise the sunshine is observed mainly as bright light. The different avataras, such as the manvantara-avataras, lila-avataras and dasa-avataras, are all included in the krsna-avatara. When Krsna appears, all the avataras appear with Him. As described in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.3.26):
avatara hy asankhyeya
hareh sattva-nidher dvijah
yathavidasinah kulyah
sarasah syuh sahasrasah
The avataras incessantly appear, like incessantly flowing water. No one can count how many waves there are in flowing water, and similarly there is no limitation of the avataras. And Krsna is the full representation of all avataras because He is the source of all avataras. Krsna is amsi, whereas others are amsa, part of Krsna. All living entities, including us, are amsas (mamaivamso jiva-loke jiva-bhutah sanatanah). These amsas are of different magnitude. Human beings (who are minute amsas) and the demigods, visnu-tattva and all other living beings are all part of the Supreme. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Krsna is the full representation of all living entities, and when Krsna is present, all avataras are included in Him.
The Eleventh Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam describes the incarnations for each yuga in chronological order. The Bhagavatam says, krte suklas catur-bahuh, tretayam rakta-varno’sau, dvapare bhagavan syamah and krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam. We actually see that in Kali-yuga, Bhagavan has appeared in pita-varna, or a yellow color, as Gaurasundara, although the Bhagavatam speaks of krsna-varnam. To adjust all these statements, one should understand that although in some yugas some of the colors are prominent, in every yuga, whenever Krsna appears, all the colors are present. Krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam: although Caitanya Mahaprabhu appears without krsna, or a blackish color, He is understood to be Krsna Himself. Idanim krsnatam gatah. The same original Krsna who appears in different varnas has now appeared. The word asan indicates that He is always present. Whenever the Supreme Personality of Godhead appears in His full feature, He is understood to be krsna-varnam, although He appears in different colors. Prahlada Maharaja states that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is channa; that is, although He is Krsna, He is covered by a yellow color. Thus the Gaudiya Vaisnavas accept the conclusion that although Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared in pita color, He is Krsna.
krsna-varnam tvisakrsnam
sangopangastra-parsadam
yajnaih sankirtana-prayair
yajanti hi sumedhasah
(Bhag. 11.5.32)
Bs 5.1 T
isvarah paramah krsnah
sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah
anadir adir govindah
sarva-karana-karanam
Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
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Ashish… I don’t think people are idiots but that absolutely precludes you & in case you didn’t get it my friend the joke is on you… hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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Then you must criticise even the Sri Vaishnavas, Madhvas, Vallabhas, Nimmbarkas,who aree all respectable vedantists Saivas siddhantaste, past up at as, saivas, etc who all believe in deity hierarchy and even Adi Sankara and the early Advaita ns who all did that. Why mention just Hare Krishnas and Gaudiya vaishnavas you addle brain!
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WELL SAID Ashish !
harekrishnarevolution IS COMPLETELY A JOKE!
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Dear Niraj,
We are provided a platform by ishwara to realize him and not create divisions. Ofcourse, we have to start with ignorance when we grow and live in a dwaitha(duality) mode. but once u are a grownup you have to come out of that agyaana and realize that Ishwara is sarvavapaka and there is no question of division. when ishwara is sarvavapaka then u are not different from him. You are shining in the light of awareness which is none other than ishwara.
It might be different perception of people. Some sees ishwara in krishna,some in Shiva,Shakthi, Jesus and buddha. But they are following one path to realize themself.
request you to please stop the division and focus on Sri Krishna’s Bagavath Geetha slokas. Get the understanding of it and post something which brings a change. please don’t create divisions here, who is superior and inferior. By doing this you are doing great sin to yourself and hurting others.
Don’t you see the sense of doership in this and when krishna says that you have to see with unity in chandala,dog,brahman as their athma is akartha, then where is this division.
Please understand that division is only at nama roopa level and not in the being. It is in your samskaras which is impregnated in your mind that sees the division.
Please focus on anthakarna shuddi…
In this blog, when you say these three gentlemans(vishnu,shiva,brahma) are superior to each other. It is clear that there is division in your mind.
Your mind is supposed to focus only on krishna and not others…this is real bakthi.
This world is full of likes and dislikes. In Krishna it is full of bliss.
Every change takes place on a changeless background…your changeless background is krishna the bliss and every change in u is just another thought like the one in this bog.
You can be happy by making others happy. The blog should not end up with controversy.
Hari om tat sat.
srikrishnarpanamasthu
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lord shiva is a supreme among all gods and goddess he is the most power full god he is a real god …………….
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Show me where Mr. Shiva is ? I have not seen him….neither any one in my generation.
Shiva as a word is expressed as mangalam in vedas.
Please don’t bring Shiva into grosser level…a person sitting in kailash with trishul with kids and watching…these all are puranas and a product of thinking of mind.
Thought is limited by itself and you cannot have an insite….
My friend the reality is when u wake up only all these shiva , krishna etc….raises and come into your thought from memory. so you are the first and later the thought of shiva, krishna…
This entire life is simply hanging in the thread of memory.
please wake up and enquire about the self…the one humanity and the one being….sath chit ananda.
Harih om tat sat.
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advaithin you A fucking idiot show me where Mr. KRISHNA is ? I have not seen him….neither any one in my generation!!!!!
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Dear Vasudewa,
Definitely he cannot be in you as you see him as Mr. Krishna.
For me and Hare krishna revolution, it’s a consciousness…means Krishna Consciousness and not a personna.
Ishwara himself has taken a bodily form to teach us the great philosophy and Bhagavath Geetha is the one which is the nector of all Upanishads.
Geetha Archarya is a World Teacher.
Tell me who has obtained this status… Jagath Guru….Lord is known to be and always a Jagath Guru…
Krishnam Vande Jagath Guru….
Geeta is so powerful, unique and universal which sustains even after 5000 years my friend. It is a Universal study and not limited to a particular sect or religion.
Read one sloka in Bhagavath Geetha and you will feel the change…
My Kind request to you to use polite words to make a statement so that some one can learn…
On the other side,
Shiva is not Mr. Shiva…Shiva means Mangalam or Bliss. I have taken Shiva Deeksha and a great devotee of Lord Shiva. Our home diety is Lord Shiva….
But please note we have to raise above this divisions into oneness…
Raise above Mind and be…Mind always divides as it functions as name and form….
Thought (Names and forms) are bounded by desha kala parichedam means…time and place….
Hari om tat sat.
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shiva devotees are demons ravan is shiva devotee vishnu avtar ram kiled ravana, hiranyakashayp is shiva devotee narasimha killed hiranyakshayap, hiranyaksha is shiva devotee varaha kiled hiranyaksha, kumbhakarna is shiva devotee rama killed kumbhakarna, our lord vishnu killed so many shiva devotees in his avtar but your shiva never killed single vishnu devotee jarasanda is shiva devotee bhima is vishnu devotee bhima killed jarasanda, your shiva failed to save his devotees thirupathi is world richest vishnu temple even his temple is more powerful than other gods shiva devotees are demons these demons are more dangerous than pakistan terrorist lashkar e toiba so only lord vishnu is supreme god
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Daksha was devotee of lord vishnu and was killed by veerbhadra ansh of Mahadev even when daksha was given word by lord vishnu that he will protect daksha when any danger comes to him. But even then also he cant be saved. So my frnd u r wrong. Every incident happen in ved purans are done by some reason. So every devotee of lord shiva killed by lord vishnu ( like Ravana and kumbhkarana ) because it was meant to be.
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Prajapati Daksha cannot be counted as a devotee of Vishnu. Prajapati Daksha was killed because he insulted Lord Shiva, who is the best among the devotees of Lord Vishnu.
It is stated in the Bhagavatam that Lord Shiva is the best among the Vaishnavas, the devotees of Vishnu.
Therefore one should be very careful to not to insult the devotees of Lord Vishnu.
– Niraj Bidawatka, Editor
The Hare Krishna Revolution
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this is a joke.and you is a joker,fulish,and mental. adhshakti
,brahma,mahesh(ram,krishna) and vishnu are one. and we are their servent
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Addendum :I meant pasupatas instead of “pass up at as “
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It is you who are mental here.
The Vedas clearly say who is the Supreme Brahman:
Eko devo nityah naaraayanah na brahma na ishanah. .. at the beginning only naarayana(vishnu) existed there was no brahma and no ishana (shiva) at that time.(mahopanishad)
narayanad brahma jayate narayana Rudra jayate. ..brahma was born of narayana shiva was born of narayana (narayanopanishad)
Krishno vai parama daivatam… krishna is the supreme god. (Gopal tapay upanishad)
So u see how wrong your facts are.
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My dear Friend,
All these are second hand knowledge….this just another thought from memory.
language divides and you cannot have an insite when u are caught in the world of words.
just remove all your thinking process and just be to see the reality of one existence.
Dont fight for this petty things….hari nama….etc…just enquire about what is hari….you will know the truth…
you are that hari…tat tvam asi. so called hari which is a nama in your mind is product of thought and samskaras.
wake up to see the reality….all these hari nama arises from you…and dies when you fall asleep. so you are that one….
just believe me…there is nothing outside your consciousness…which is same across all the humanity and all shines in that consciousness…then where is this division???? when u are the only one and represent the entire humanity….unbelievable…isn’t
harih om tat sat
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So vedic statements are second hand knowledge…!!! Wow great logic sir!!!
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So absurdity is your hallmark. Don’t get into words you say but the moment you end that statement you use the same words to advance your concocted foolery. Now i can go to the lengths of ribbing your stupid statement line by line and word by word but since you sound like an absolute fool why even make the effort.
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sarva nama kevala hari nama , YOU GUYS HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS ,CALLED KRISHNA MANIA! ! GO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST FAST !!! OTHERWISE Niraj Bidawatka( Krishna’s foolish servant ) and YOU DUMBOS WILL END UP IN MENTAL HOSPITAL!
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Your mental illness will have no place in this universe. If you have a constructive way of expressing yourself pls do or else get the hell out.
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Forl all hindus lord shiva is the most power full and supreme lord shiva open his thriknu that time all peoples will die and end of earth shiva is most power full he is only one no one deafeated lord vishnu is also have power but first is lord shiva allahu is originali lord shiva i love u lord shivaaaaa he is the big and avatar of varaham saved earth om namashivaya tell 108 time om namashivaya want u want that will sucesss
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The idea of supremacy of Krishna came from Bhrahma Vaibartya Purana. The oldest version of this Purana has not been found…the stuffs on which the almightiness of Lord Vishnu is claimed is just an interpolated untidy script of this Purana, that very jokingly describes the story of creation and the cause of incarnation. Lord Shiva is eldest among the ‘Trio'(Brahma, VIshnu, and Maheswar), he appeared as ‘Jyohirlinga’ before quarreling Brahma and Narayana and intervented them. Also, he assured Brhahma to take birth as an offspring of him.
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Madhukantha Bardhan… Shruti and Smriti cannot contradict each other… What you have written above is contrary to all 4 Vedas… Rig, Yajur, Sama, Atharva. The story you have quoted from Shiva Puran is bogus. In 18 Puranas Shiva Purana isn’t there. Its Linga Puran not Shiva Puran, which is original… in any case I think its best for you to Pray to Lord Shiva as he is undoubtedly the most benevolent God… He is most dear to Lord Krishna and is his greatest devotee. So if you are a Shiva Bhakta you should follow him with all your heart But if you talk about Spiritual knowledge and what our holy scriptures state then yes Lord Krishna is the Supreme Personality of God Head above all with a second or an equal.
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Vishnu says Shiva is eternal origin(seed) of all things
From The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva -> Veda Vyasa Mahabharata
The blessed Vishnu said: “I salute Mahadeva. Salutations to Thee. O Thou that art eternal origin of all things. The Rishis say that Thou art the Lord of the Vedas. The righteous say that Thou art Penance, Thou art Sattwa, Thou art Rajas, Thou art Tamas, and Thou art truth.
Vishnu himself said “Shiva is eternal origin of …” That’s why Shiva linga is seed and Whatever we see it is just a tree from that seed.
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Please don’t fall into this trap of puranas…they will divide you and create duality and controversy. when there is a conflict…you cannot know the truth…infact you cannot know the truth but be the truth itself coz when u know the truth…truth becomes the other and no more a truth…
all you are provided is with a mind as an instrument which can serve you with expressions, emotions…which is programmed to create divisions…
example….product of thought…when u say I am an Indian…it means you have limited yourself and created division in humanity against rest of the people who are outside India…is this the truth????
raise about the mind into being.
infact you are the one….aham brahmasmi
harih om tat sat.
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WELL SAID Mr Madhukantha Bardhan!! I appreciate your comment!!
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.
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vishnu never said like that. Dont spread fake news. Shiva devotees are demons ravan, hiranyakashyap, hiranyaksha, kumbhakarna, jarasanda ,all these demons are shiva devotees shiva gave boons to many demons but all the demons are killed by lord vishnu in his avatars we are living in earth because of vishnu in varaha avtar vishnu killed hiranyaksha and he saved the earth. Thirupathi is world’s richest vishnu temple. Even his temple is more powerful than other gods. Shiva devotees are demons. These demons are more dangerous than pakistan terrorist lashkar e toiba
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There is a difference between Bhagwata Purana and Shiva Purana,
A. Bhagwat Puran states that Vishnu is supreme one than Shiva, and From Vishnu, Brahma and By Brahma , Shiva was born but if it so, why Vishnu worship Shiva in all of his incarnations, where as Shiva never worships anybody.
B. Shiva Puran says that Vishnu and Brahma were created from Aadi Anant JyotirStambha of Shiva. When there was a dispute between Brahma and Vishnu about who is the supreme, at that time Shiva appeared as Jyotirstambha and asked both of them to reach start and end of it. Vishnu traveled downwards to reach end and Brahma traveled upwards to reach beginning, but both of them failed and considered there is no end of Shiva and asked Shiva to guide them. In this story Brahma lied that he reached beginning, So Shiva banned his worships in Hinduism, which is true. Brahma’s son Daksha Prajapati was against Shiva because of this reason only.
Now, Lord Rama established Shiva Linga when he was marching towards Lanka which is known as Rameshwara Mahadeva means Ishwar(God) of Rama.In Ramayana when Lord Rama wanted to do Prashchatap because he considered killing Ravana as sin of killing a brahmana, he asked Hanumanji to organize to establish a Shiva Linga and asked again Shiva for mercy and to cut his sin. If Lord is himself able to cut sins, Can’t he cut his own sins?
In Krishna avatar when Krishna wanted to bring some tree kalpa Vriksha from Indra, he worshiped Shiva for blessings and that is known as “Gopeshwara Mhadeva” in vrindavana means Ishwara (God) of Gopal(Krishna). Also when Krishna wanted to have a son, he asked sages and from their advice he prayed to Lord Shiva to get a son. If Krishna was Vishnu against whose will nothing happens, why he said that “Shive Sarvadhi Sadhike” means nothing happens without Shiva’s will, so please bless me with son!! when the Mahabharata was about to be battled he asked Pandavas to have bliss of Shiva first and arranged a Pooja of Shiva Linga…
In Bhahwata Puran also the story is stated about Lakshmidevi’s unhappiness with Vishnu because Vishnu told her that in his half area of heart is dedicated to Lord Shiva only. And in the rest of half, all the creatures of world and all deities including her wife Lakshmi lives!!
Parshurama is considered as great devotee of Shiva, Shiva gave him Parshu, for which Parshurama is famous for.
Why Shiva does not worship any body where as Vishnu worships him in all incarnations?
What I think is because Shiva is the only supreme Paramatma as he is unborn(Ajanma), Akarta and Abhokta(Vairagi) as said in Geeta that GOD is Ajanma, Akarta and Abhokta. God is neerakar (Shapeless and formless), Shiva Linga is symbol of Shiva ‘s such form only.
And also Vishnu always advised other deities(Kartikeya, Indra, Parvati,..) to worship Shiva only if they have mistakenly committed sins.
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Thanking you for letting us in on the difference between the 2 scriptures. Pls kindly quote the verse of Gita where Krishna says that He/ God is shapeless and formless. Linga is a form. The moment you talk about symbol its automatically means that it has a form and shape. kindly refer to the meaning of the word symbol in oxford dictionary… Y Shiva does not worship… shows that your basic knowledge of our scripture is missing. look first read scriptures then come and talk because I will not participate in a discussion on such serious subjects with someone who neither has basic knowledge of it nor the intent to learn.
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WELL SAID! THUMBS UP! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WONDERFUL EXPLANATION Madhukantha Bardhan! Nice to see a comment from a wise man among these dumbos who put krishna in the center .
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.yOU ARE A WISE MAN !I APPRECIATE THAT !
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Mr/Ms rishiexecs, What you’ve said about Lord Shiva is 100% true!!! But please know that Lord Shiva also called Tryambaka Deva (literally, “three-eyed Lord”), is depicted as having three eyes: the sun is His right eye, the moon the left eye and fire the third eye. The two eyes on the right and left indicate His activity in the physical world. The third eye in the center of the forehead symbolizes SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE and power, and is thus called the eye of wisdom or knowledge. Like fire, the powerful gaze of Shiva’s third eye annihilates evil, and thus the evil-doers fear His third eye.
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Madhukantha if your knowledge is so poor on the subject I can only imagine how limited would be your ability to comprehend. Stop speaking against the scriptures and the shiva appeared as a jyohirlinga before Brahma and Narayana is a blab from shiv puran which is the only spurious puran. Only Ling puran I agree is bonafide. Shiva puran has no mention in any of the works predating 500 yrs. So go figure. And as per the instructions of Vyas himself has laid down the guiding principals that Only Shruti and in Smriti 1st priority of importance has to be given to the stavic Guna text of Lord Vishnu then to the Rajo guna text of Lord Brahma and 3rd priority of Importance is to be given to Tamas Guna text of Lord Shiva. Now if you don’t even have the basics in place what can one talk to you. Go study first.
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At first the ultimate truth “Brahman” was their from whom came out Shiva without any birth or death. Vishnu is formed from the vaamanga of Shiva or the left body. Shiva is the extreme male power of the universe. He is the destroyer or annihilator of the universe. From him manifested the extreme female power of the universe Sati. Then the preserver of the universe Vishnu took three forms, Karnodakasayi visnu or Maha-Vishnu, Garbhodakasayivisnu and ksirodaksayi vishnu. Maha Visnu have several Garbhodakasayivishnus in the spiritual sky(The ocean of Karana). Each Garbhodakasayivishnu exhales and inhales and with each breath a Brahma is born who lives for 100 Brahma years and dies with the breath of Garbhodakasayi vishnu. Each Brahma creates a universe which comes to an end with partial annihilation after several Brahma years the annihilation of Garbhodakasayi vishnu takes place and at the last stage the dissolution of the whole karan sagar with Maha vishnu by Shiv with Tandav and this cycle again begins.This cycle of formation and annihilation is seen in Hinduism.
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Shiva is the extreme male power of the universe !!!!!!!! 100% TRUE!!!!
Mr Madhukantha Bardhan ,I appreciate your wonderful comment!
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1st I can’t even begin to tell you how foolish and messed up your understanding is on the subject and this little write up of yours is the very example of it.
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Its a very difficult question that who is supreme among 3 lords Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva…there is a story about it..Brahma and Vishnu had a arguement that who is supreme among both of them…in a sudden the shivling emerged from the earth…both the lords decided to find the end of that and the one who will find first is the supreme…Lord Brahma flew upside in search of the peak and Lord Vishnu jumped down to find bottom..no one of them was able to find…so in the end Lord Shiva emerged there and both lord brahma and Vishnu came to knew that there is an another super natural supreme power which is the creator and distructor…well these are stories…in actual no one knows who is the supreme…all are equal in their powers.. And God Krishna is an avtar of lord Vishnu rather than the supreme lord..
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Dear Mr. Rishav,
It may be a difficult question for you but not for us. Therefore you need to take knowledge from the self-realized acharyas (great spiritual personalities). The Hare Krishna Revolution is providing such rare and secret knowledge free of cost. So you should take advantage of this.
Stories will remain stories. The story which you have narrated is bogus as you have not given the source. We take knowledge from the Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam, the most authoritative scriptures, both of which, emphatically say that Krishna is the source of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. All the three great personalities, namely Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar, have found out and realized that “there is indeed another super natural supreme power”. And that “another super natural supreme power” is Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Thanks. Hare Krishna
Niraj Bidawatka, Editor
The Hare Krishna Revolution
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Dear Niraj,
Could you see the vibrations and divisions your thought has created posting this blog.
Don’t you see it as a conflict.
GeetAcharya is great and he has given us a marvellous Bhagavath Geeta which is for entire humanity and not for particular sect…it is universal…..Don’t simply read Bhagavath Geetha…just be it…even a single verse is enough to bring a great change in life…specially sthita pragnya lakshana…I don’t have words for it…
Chapter two verse 62….dhyayato visayan pumsah…very profound statement for everyone to have an insight.
My friend, you can learn only in silence….
Harih om tat sat
srikrishnarpanamastu
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Advaithin you should now zip it before I again put you in your place and you begin to apologise and flee. I have been quite on this forum for more than an year now but I see you haven’t ceased your foolery.
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Dear Mr Rishav thank you so much for reminding that wonderful story! I totally agree with you
LORD KRISHNA IS AN AVATAR OF LORD VISHNU RATHER THAN THE SUPREME LORD !!!
SADLY THESE STUPID PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLY THEORY.
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dear readers,
its a request not to campare any of them becuase doing so is also a sin as mentioned in holy books because. each of them.are also.devote of each other. jo shankar k followers h..unhe unhike ke shaknar k darshan nai hote, jo vishnu k h unhe vishnu k..kyuki dono followers ek dusre ko nicha dikhate rahte h….so instead of compairing them its a better to
understand them for example find out who shankar and who.is shiva, who is vishnu and whu is mahavishnu.
there is no any greatest among the 3, but they do mediate on one greatest supreme power jo in sabh se bhi shreth h…jisnse inki utpati huyi…uska koi name nai.. vo nirakar h..vo na hi Bhahma h na hi Vishnu or na hi Shankar. vo BHRAHM h(not bhrahma) baltpatra bhi isliye usi pe hi arpit krte h…(belptra=rajogu.,satogun,tamogun)
all thee lies witthin him…
isliye bhrhma, vishnu, and shankar bhi usi ki hi.puja krte h…
isliye worship him….
or findout some saint..jo gyani nai bhrahmgyani ho..vo hi in sabko smjha skte h..
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I am very surprised at the arrogance exhibited by supporters of Hare Krishna Revolution blog, namely, one Mr. Rishiexecs. Calling everybody who has a different point of view an ‘idiot’ is a highly convenient manner of suppressing a debate. I am nothing but sorry that you’ve wasted your whole point with such petty words. Kindly shun that arrogance of yours and then preach. None of us are here to deal with your apparent failures at giving a decent reply.
It is funny and ironical that everybody here sends their kids to schools that teach the theory of Evolution, who are subsequently judged upon the marks procured in such exams. Gentlemen, isn’t it genuinely conflicting with the idea of religion itself?
How about before the whole talk of ‘bringing a revolution’, and criticising other Religions like somebody in here did for Christianity, we resolve the problems that our world is blatantly marred with.
Lastly, who better than Lord Shiva, who at least never differentiates between his devotees, and tends to everyone the same. Despite my lack of knowledge of Vedas and scriptures, I’d any-day advocate for the One who is Aja (Unborn), Lokankara (Creator of the Three worlds), Mahamrityunjaya (Victor of Death), Someshwara (Lord of all Gods), Omkara (Creator of OM and speech), Vishveshwara (Lord of the Universe), Swyambhu (Self Manifested), Sarvayoni (Source of Everything) Lord Shiva!
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WELL SAID! THUMBS UP! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WONDERFUL COMMENT Dear Ms Aishwarya Tripathi
Lord Shiva is the extreme male power of the universe !!!!!!!!
Nice to see a comment from a wise person among these guys who put krishna in the center .
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.
yOU ARE A WISE WOMAN !I APPRECIATE THAT !
I appreciate your wonderful comment!
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narasimha killed hiranyakshyap, varaha killed hiranyaksha, parasurama killed karthavirya,rama killed ravana, tadaka, kumbhakarna, dhanwantri god of health, hayagriva god of knowledge, krishna killed kamsa, putana, narakasura, lord vishnu is destroyer of demons and evils so lord vishnu supreme
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LORD Shiva is the supreme god.As I appreciate aishwarya tripathi for her lats stanza.LORD Shiva was the one who swallowed the poison which rose after the “SAMUDRA MANTHAN”. HE is known as Mahadeva(god of gods)for this reason. MRHARE KRISHNA REVOLUTION I am now asking you where was ur LORD Krishna then.lord vishnu originated from the naval of Shiva and lord Brahma from the naval of LORD Vishnu.And LORD Krishna is the incarnation of Visnu. AND Shiva is known as “VISHWANATH”(lord of three realms)……………….
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WELL SAID! THUMBS UP! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WONDERFUL COMMENT Dear Sonu
Lord Shiva is the extreme male power of the universe !!!!!!!!It was lord Shiva who swallowed the poison NOT KRISHNA OR VISHNU!
Nice to see a comment from a wise person among these guys who put krishna in the center .
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.
yOU ARE A WISE WOMAN !I APPRECIATE THAT !
I appreciate your wonderful comment!
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SEE if you see like that I can say if LORD VISNU AND LORD SHIVA FIGHT no one will win as they have same power.BUT LORD shiva and godess parvati(shakti) together can defeat anyone,even vishnu and param brahma
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SO TRUE ( shiva and godess parvati(shakti) together can defeat anyone,even vishnu and param brahma) I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU HERE BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT LORD SHIVA HAS THE HIGHEST POWER. GOD VISHNU IS ALSO VERY POWERFUL BUT NO ONE CAN DEFEAT LORD SHIVA!
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In Shaivism & Shaktism, Lord Shiva is the Supreme God (Par Brahma). In Vaishnavism, Lord Vishnu is the Supreme God (Par Brahma). Shiva & Vishnu both have same power. Brahma is demigod who lives for 100 Brahma years (311.04 trillion years).
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i want to say that if u love something its gud and best for u. bt dat doesnt mean u need make sm1 down,dn sm1 wl big?
hey dnt waste your time,try to find whom you love ,c him.talk wth him,vakta nevr compare,their duty only wth their lover,they nvr compare
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Sri Shankaracharaya ji once explained
“Shivaya Vishnu roopaya , shivarupaya Vishnuve , shivashca hirdhayagam Vishnu , Vishnuscha hridayagam shive “
Meaning :Shiva is in the form of Vishnu, as Vishnu is in the form of Shiva . Shiva is in the heart of Vishnu as Vishnu is in the heart of Shiva. ONE CANNOT be without the OTHER.
They complete each other’s existence and that of Universe too.
Lord Vishnu controls the phenomenon of Operating and sustaining the Universe once created by Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva destroys/ changes forms of Universe to provide path for the next creation. It is pointless to compare the trinity of Brahma ji, Vishnu ji and Shiva ji as Universe stops existing the moment any one of the three phenomenon is not in place as every moment the Universe is sustained , created and destroyed.
We can see the three lords as bodily manifestation of these three phenomenon . They exist together and at the end of it all the whole cosmos goes back to Shunya.
Speaking of the relationship in between them, it is best explained through a few examples:
Vishnu Ji in the avatar of Lord Rama prayed to Lord Shiva at Rameshwaram before going to war with Demon Ravana, Lord Shiva being also the God of war and destruction.
There is also this story where it is believed that Lord Vishnu meditates and makes offerings to Lord Shiva every day. Amongst the various offerings to the Shiva Linga he also offers 1000 Kamal (lotuses). Once, while going through his daily rituals Lord Vishnu went short of one Lotus flower , Lord Vishnu then ripped off one of his eye and offered it to the Shiva linga as the 1000th Lotus . ( Lord Vishnu is also known as ‘Kamal-nayan’, the one with Lotus like eyes)
Lord Shiva was saved from his own devotee Bhasmasur by Lord Vishnu in Mohini form. The story goes like this, appeased by Bhasmasur’s austerities Lord Shiva decided him to grant a boon of his choice . Bhasmasur asked for the power to burn anything he places his hand on. As soon as the boon was granted he tried to put his hand on Lord Shiva. Lord Shiva had already granted the boon and hence would have to burn himself had Bhasmasur succeeded in doing so, but, doing so would mean the end of whole cosmos. Lord Vishnu then in his Mohini form came to the rescue and made bhasmasur put his hand on his own head and thus got Lord Shiva out of this tricky situation.
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don’t compair at least Gods. we dont know the future. so any thing is useful and best at that perticular instance.
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But seriously I don’t get who is greater! I know Lord Shiva and vishnu are one and the same ! But I would like to know from the mythologies, vedas, who is greater!
Lord Vishnu created the vedas, and Brahma is creating based on the vedas and so Lord Shiva does…
Could you please enlighten me with more information?
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The Bhagavad Gita is also known as the “Geetopanishad” because it is the essence of all the upanishads, the most important part of the Vedas. So if you read the Bhagavad Gita, you get the essence of the Vedas. The Bhagavad Gita says that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krishna says that “I am the origin of all the ‘devas’ [aham adir hi devanam (Bg. 10.2)]. So Krishna is the origin of Brahma, Shiva and even Vishnu. Krishna further states that “no one is greater than Me” [mattah parataram nanyat kinchid asti dhananjaya (Bg.7.7)] “There is no truth superior to Me.” So neither Shiva nor Brahma nor any of the demigods are superior to Krishna. So Krishna is the Supreme Lord. He is accepted so by all the great maharshis such as Asita, Devala, Vyas and Narada. This is also stated in the Bhagavad Gita in verse no. 13 of the tenth chapter.
Also read: WHAT IS THE POSITION OF LORD SHIVA?
Thanks. Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka
Editor – The Hare Krishna Revolution
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you know very little about past lives and future ones, try ECKANKAR to get the real truth,with a real mahanta,then you will know the truth,otherwise you will not get off the wheel of 84
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What truly amazes me about this heated debate is the fact that it revolves around “THE PROOF” that is based on a piece of picturesque mythological story fabricated for a distinct purpose. While anthropomorphic myths are justified means of saying things that are difficult to put in words, they never can serve as a proof for anything. If they should, they would only prove the infantility and awkwardness of one’s own belief. Just consider: if the above mentioned story represents a record of an actual historical incident instead of an allegoric message, then it also means that the Creator of this universe — being the most exalted of all created beings, as we are told elsewhere — is in fact a quick-tempered neurotic who gets out of control under very triffling causes. Would you trust the serious bussiness of running the universe to such a queer, self-conceited person? One would expect that Brahmaji is an entity whose consciousness is present equally in every atom of the universe, at least as much as the creator of the Christians is, yet we are instead pushed to believe that he sits on his ass on a chair in some easily accessible office whiling away his time and becoming furious whenever a human plays pranks on him. Also, if the “greatest Vaishnava ever” looses his composure so easily, then it means — apart from his possessing an underdeveloped mental structure — that he is unable to see his Lord in everyone, as the basic article of Hindu faith demands, seeing a temporary flesh (asat) in place of eternal Paramatman (sat). Obviously, if Shiva himself, being next to Krishna, fails to see that then other Vaishnavas of much lesser status will be deluded far the more, in spite of how much they may try. And another absurdity behind this highly condensed story viewed as a history says that the One whom we call the Highest Lord can be easily reached in a wink from any earthly place, as it is no problem for a doubting Brahmin to leave a bank of Sarasvati, open a door in the farthest nook of heaven and then kick the Omnipresent Lord to his very bossom with his fleshy leg… You can continue endlessly in similar vein exposing the utter farcicality of the notion that Puranas are historical chronicles. Anyone who has not missed his lessons in ancient literature will confirm that myths exhibit in principle the same traits in every old culture, be it Greek, Avestan, Indian, Mesopotamian or Mayan. Frankly, the environment and characters of myths are so exaggeratedly human that it requires an incredibly dull or twisted intellect to take them literally. Dont you realize that with this anthropomorphic understanding you make the Lord much lesser than he actually is? Prabhupadas “scientific purports” are but a doom for deeper understanding of universal import of the Indian spiritual heritage. Fortunately, there’s always been saints who are able to see the alegory behind the colourful Puranic stories and imagery.
That none of the quarelling parties is able to present any PROOF of superiority of their Godhead other than a wobble and awkward myth means just one thing: there is NO proof for it. The funny fact that practically all Vaishnava critique of other schools of faith, mostly Advaita and Buddhism, is based on purposively invented mythical stories of later date reveals the helplessness to debate on a genuinely philosophical, experiental or ontological level. Just see their polemical literature such as “Vaisnava Vijaya or The Life History of Mayavadism” by Bhakti Prajnan Keshava Gosvami. Let those who believe such a fanciful staff continue to believe it but they would be better not to use it as a principal argument in establishing a fact — unless they want to become ridiculous.
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This is what is writen in the 7th Book of Mahabharata (Dronaparva), section 202, starting with verse 9 (Translated into English Prose from the Original Sanskrit Text by Kisari Mohan Ganguli and available free on numerous internet sites):
Vyasa said:
Thou hast, O Arjuna, seen Sankara, that First cause from which have sprung the Prajapatis, that puissant Being endued with great energy, he that is the embodiment of heaven, earth and sky, the Divine Lord, the protector of the universe, the great Master, the giver of boons, called also Isana.
O, seek the protection of that boon, giving Deity, that lord of the universe.
He is called Mahadeva the Supreme Deity, of Supreme Soul, the one only Lord, with matted locks on head, the abode of auspiciousness. Of three eyes and mighty arms, he is called Rudra, with his locks tied in the shape of a crown, and his body attired in skins.
That boon-giving lord of the universe, that Supreme Deity, is also called Hara and Sthanu. He is the foremost of every being in the universe, he is incapable of being vanquished, he is the delighter of the universe and its supreme ruler.
The first cause, the light and refuge of the universe, he is ever victorious. The Soul and the creator of the universe, and having the universe for his form, he is possessed of great fame.
The Lord of the universe, and its great Ruler, that puissant one, is also the master of all actions. Called also Sambhu, he is self-born, he is the lord of all creatures, and the origin of the Past, the Future, and the Present.
He is Yoga and the lord of Yoga; he is called Sarva, and is the Lord of all the worlds. He is superior to everything. The foremost of everything in the universe, and the highest of all, he is called also Paramesthin. The Ordainer of the three worlds, he is the sole refuge of the three worlds.
Incapable of being vanquished, he is the protector of the universe, and abode the necessity of birth, decay, and death. The Soul of knowledge, incapable of being compassed by knowledge, and the highest of all knowledge he is unknowable.
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Salutations to Him that is called Purusha; unto him that is of tawny hair; him that is bold, him that is exceedingly subtle and of great effulgence; unto him that is the giver of light; him that is the embodiment of all sacred waters; him that is the God of gods……..; him that is called Sarva; …….him that is peace; him that is the protector; him that is the lord of the clouds and of all created beings; ………….. him who inspires all thought;…………… him who is Rama’s self, him who has diverse forms; him who is the lord of the universe; …………… him who has a thousand heads, a thousand eyes, a thousand arms, and a thousand legs. O son of Kunti, seek the protection of that boon-giving Lord of the universe, the lord of Uma, that God of three eyes, that destroyer of Daksha’s sacrifice….
ETC. ETC. ETC. (it is a passage of nearly 100 verses)
I just wonder why would Vyasa tell Arjuna that Shiva is “the only Lord”, “Supreme Deity”, “Supreme Ruler”, “The First Cause”, “the Highest of all Knowledge” etc., when he said the same about Krishna in elsevwhere in Mahabharata (i.e. the Bhagavadgita) he himself authored… Either there are two Absolutes, or Vyasa was a bit indisposed that day and muddled up everything (or maybe another interpolation?)…
Perhaps some knowledgeable Vaishnava will graciously enlighten us how to interpret this knotty scriptural passage.
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Can you quote anyone who has quoted these verses from or before 16th century…..even saivite scholars will do. If you can’t than you can assume that these are interpolations.
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I dont care if anybody has ever quoted this whole Chapter before or not, I just read it in the Mahabharata edited text and ponder on its import there…. The Great Epic is obviously full of similar polluting interpolations, so it would be probably safer to cross it out from the “Vedic corpus” as unauthentic, because there will never be a consensus on what is original and what was inserted by “these rascals”. (The same with the Puranas.) You probably heard that some scholars suggested on purely textual basis that Bhagavadgita itself is an interpolation. So lets get rid of it before it is too late! 😀
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Stop your supremacy even god knows there is greater than the greatest… Even if god himself is greatest.. Know the meaning of the names of God you call demigods, deep meaning of vishnu is all pervading one sauguna brahman and deep meaning of shiva is the empty dark space or simply the presonification of nirguna brahman the soul present before all. Shiva means the ultimate reality at the end who hides all inside him mahadeva is just representation of Shiva in our world.
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self /aham /man /mind is strength which rewards according to karma(aham brahm asmi , tvam braham asi sah braham asti —ans of god exists in everyone thereby every one is part of god who is only one and dvitya nasti) . ek onkar – god is only one – never born or dies — no avtars . children fight without any thing of their own but pleading for stastus of parents , relations , castes , religions , regions and so on . if really so stay there and stick to them but everyone changes and runs for better status , country , place ,language , friend ,partner and greener pasture including animals and insects . why jambodvip name changed broken to pieces still j & k , panjab , easteran , sc / st ,agda ,pichhda etc. problems continue since more than 3000 years people of india changing faiths and converting to budhism , jainism , chrischianity , islam sikhism etc. and vice versa . wherever any discrimination of any kind there shall be destruction to that extent . greatest indian after father of nation gandhi dr. ambedkar was elected from bangladesh – eastern bangal of undivided india when he was made to loose election from his home state by congress’s conspiracy of discrimination . mahabharat took place pandavas were not given place to live in even with due respect though karna yudhistra rjuna bhima nakul n sahdev (s/o surya , yamraj, indra pawan n aswani kumars respectively) not sons of pandu s/o vyas who was grand s/o maharishi vashistha and s/o parasar – satyawati malahin sudra lowest caste hindu woman left by first husband maharaja santnu f/o styavarta – bhisam pitamah great grand father of arjuna whoose 4th wife subhdra was lord krisna’s sister whoose father’s sister kunti was arjuna’s mother and aunt of krisna who thus was brother as well brother in law of arjuna . in ramayana rama bharata laxman n satughan were born with period of a couple of day when dasratha gone very old (age group great / grand father of rama ) with the blessings n hawana conducted by srigi rishi who was husband of shanta sister of rama n son in law of dasrath whoose guru was vashistha (grand father of vyas n great grand father of pandu/dhritrastra/vidur or great great grand father of arjuna who is brother /brother in law of krisna brother of subhadra 4th wife of arjuna born from kunti /indra . parasuram 6th avtar of god rebuked rama 7th avtar of god who broke the dhanusha through laxmna while krishna 8th avtar of god is of age group of ahimanyu s/o rama who fought with abhimanyu who cought rama’s horse left to show his greatness of being raja . is this the way avtars are born making every one to fight abuse each other without any useful thing accept mera god meri caste mera dharam mera desh mahan .only mother knows who is father of the child as per scriptures child born by suudra father and brahman mother shall be called chandal that is why out of fear of false scriptures 85% sudras do not wish their child to be chandal by marrying brahaman woman causing false caste baisakhi continuing though practically every body is aware of caste / religion / god people talk only and behave otherwise that is why the circumstances are changing in india which no scripture or god or guru or govt can stop the change continuing and progressing forcing every party to change their agenda if they wish to survive in india as couple of years back nich jati person was thrown out of party has made his brother more less same caste status as sir-mod of india showing way to the world for development to reach to another earth if they cheat their sir-mod , shall fall down within short period as none can go against nature wHich accords equality to every living being having self /atma part of paramatma -GOD ONE ONLY
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lord vishnu is supreme god. Shiva is not supreme. I am brahmin. I know the truth. Only lord vishnu is greatest god
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If you claim that you know the truth because you are a brahmin, then one thing is more evident than the sunlight: You know the precious nothing and you would be better to keep quiet wondering what kind of “brahmin” you are….!
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Lord Shiva only the Greatest God ……..
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jay
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Bramha – Vishnu – Mahesh They are individuals and they all are important.
Bramha God of knowledge and created all 4 vedas (3 published by him and 1 by another rishi)
Vishnu is master of all Maya, Played dashavtar in different role
Where as Shiva commonaly known as Mahadev is God of Destruction and Creation
He drunk wish for humanity
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according to me , god is only one and he is all pervading. he is formless and infinite. All the personalities like krishna vishnu shiva and brahma are divine beings. these beings are very very superior( like millons or billions or trillions or zillions of multiple of us) than us. the god or parmatma is driving us according to his wishes. the simple and ultimate principle of world is that whatever the powerful persons says and do is righteous. For example
lord ram kill the monkey king bali with unjustice but people this right because ram was a powerful person.
lord krishna did so many shameful wrong and henious acts but people called them leelas because he was a powerful person.
parshuram kill the kshatriya clan 21 times only for the revenge of the murder of his mother but people called it righteousness. because he was a powerful person.
so what do you understand no one of these is not god . god is infinite and formless. But these are very very superior and divine being than us.
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Dear Mr. Alok,
You are absolutely wrong and under the grave influence of maya. You are wandering in the realm of mental speculation. You are correct when you say that God is one, all-pervading and infinite. But you are wrong when you say that God is formless. God is not formless. You are absolutely mistaken in your idea that God is formless and that Krishna, Vishnu, Rama, Parshurama were no more than powerful persons. They are not ordinary living entities like you and me. As per your mistaken idea, you are thinking that Krishna and Rama are ordinary living entities, who have attained extra-ordinary power. This is incorrect. They are not ordinary human beings, They are all Personalities of Godhead.
There was no injustice in the killing of Bali. No act of Krishna’s can be termed as shameful, wrong and heinous. All activities of Krishna are pure and spiritual. It is your vision, which is tinted by the coloured glasses of maya, which you are unfortunately wearing. Parshurama was an incarnation of the Supreme Lord, who appeared to killed the demoniac kings.
Similarly Lord Shiva cannot be equated with ordinary living beings like you and me. He is also a Personality of Godhead and is not a person (like you and me), who has not attained “power”. However, since Lord Shiva is in association with the material energy, he cannot be accepted on the same level as that of Lord Vishnu. The example given by acaryas, is that of yoghurt and milk.
As far as Lord Brahma is concerned, you are correct that he is an ordinary living entity (jiva-tattva), who has attained the extraordinary position of the Creator of the Universe by dint of his austerities. But sometimes, when a qualified jiva is not available for the post of Brahma, the Supreme Lord Himself assumes the position of Brahma.
So please understand the real facts by reading our blog-posts. Don’t get carried away by the mistaken beliefs of your mundane mind. Take the real knowledge from a realized soul such as Srila Prabhupada. The teachings of Prabhupada are being presented vide this website. So take advantage and throw out all the rubbish from your mind.
Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka, Editor
The Hare Krishna Revolution
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Dudes. GOD is oNe. That power is out of imagiation and beyond the beyond. Worship god as he is in the form of Light. As everything. Is possible for him he takes different forms.
To get more closer to form of GOD, as per human brain function imagine god as form of round whitish silverish mixed light and worship with your god’s name. God will be with you.
With human brain don’t test something that is supreme to us.
God is alllllllllll
– King
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It the fact is that Lord Hari is eternally associated with his chakra. The Sudarshan chakra is none other than Sri Hari Himself. It is also true that Lord Shiva gifted the chakra to the Lord, but it is like a great devotee gifting a flower to his Lord, but the flower already belongs to its creator, Sri Hari.
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hahaha again refer to Linga Puran there is no gift of chkra. 2) sudarshan is an expansion of vishnu but not vishnu. ahi Ravan go get to know who he was and why he incarnated on earth and how he was rid of his pride and killed.
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lord vishnu is greatest god
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Yes vishnu and Krishna are one and same. Krishna is one of the avatar of load Narayanan. In Geeta Krishna/vishnu clearly stays that, he is the Supreme God head.
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light is god and every creation have foundation of light.. At every time this is a Truth of time… U can see whatever changes in this world with time, even the most influential time changes with its three modes (creation, preservation and destruction)but can u see light never changes.. Its same from start to end.. It never destroys.. Imagine our world without light u can imagine world without anything but light? Without it what would happen to existance?. Don’t think narrowly think in broad perspective at sometimes think broadly..
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Isconism is against hindusm..you try to make prajapati daksh…who is the blind devotee of lord vishnu…and son brahma…and try every thing to ashamed lord shiva…try to make neglactable…you what happen next…what you try to do is a sin
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Ajay Hinduism is no religion. The right religion is Sanatan Dharma and Iskcon strictly follows that. You have very less understanding of anything its clear. pls if you don’t have the knowledge of our holy scriptures then don’t talk and make efforts to learn not talk jiberesh
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Vishnu and Krishna both are same and one. There is no difference between Krishna and vishnu. Krishna is the 9th avatar of Lord Narayanan/vishnu. In Geeta Krishna /vishnu clearly stays that he is the Supreme personality of godhead. It means that vishnu is supreme God.
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shiva devotees are demons ravan is shiva devotee vishnu avtar ram killed ravan, hiranyakashyap is shiva devotee narasimha killed hiranyakashyap, hiranyaksha is shiva devotee varaha killed hiranyaksha, kumbhakarna is shiva devotee rama killed kumbhakarna, our lord vishnu killed so many shiva devotees in his avatars but your shiva never killed single vishnu devotees jarasanda is shiva devotee bhima is vishnu devotee bhima killed jarasanda. Your shiva failed save his devotees. hahaha. Thirupathi is world richest vishnu temple even his temple is more powerful than other gods. Krishna is incarnation of Lord Vishnu. So only lord vishnu is supreme god.
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Daksh is the devotees of vishnu but siva’s bhairav kal bhairav defeat him. Lord rama pray shiva for victory over ravan. there’s are many more, but i am not like u, for me all is one.
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hare krishna revolution there is only one God and that is Lord Shiva….Shiva has no begining no end he just infinet, Limitless.
Lord Shiva can control Time thats why he is call MAHAKAL….i dont know dose any other God exist or not but yes Shiva do Exist…The whole universe is Shiva…Everything comes from nothing and go back to nothing this nothingness is Shiva….Shiva is The Creator, The Transformer,The Destroyer….Shiva is Almigty means he is suprem God that is why we call him devon ke devon Mahadev…!!
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Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva is not different, They are two form of One God.One is Milk and Another is Curd. It is a Grave mistake to say that they are different or who is Great. Read Bhagvad Geeta for more Knowledge. Don’t Get Confuse.
Hare Krishna
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Dear Friends,
Please Read
Banasuran was a great devotee of Lord Shiva. He once prayed to Shiva to bestow him with thousand arms so that he can play the mrudangam during his rudrathandavam. Shiva too did so. But instead of playing the instrument with his thousand arms he started fighting battles against one and all. Instigated by this malicious act Shiva said “ A person equal to me shall severe your thousand hands.” Usha was the daughter of Banasura. She once saw in a dream that a young prince played with her. She immediately wanted to know who he was. Chitralekha started drawing hundreds of pictures which did not yield the expected result. She then drew the pictures of Yadava rulers like Balarama, Krishna, Pradyumna and Anrudha. As soon as she sketched the picture of Anirudha Usha was only too excited. “It is he, It is he”- she exclaimed. Chitralekha being a yogini atonce brought Anirudha to her chamber even as he was sleeping atop his house. They then played there for a long time. Some spy who oversaw all this complained to Banasura who arrested Anirudha for no fault of his. Lord Krishna fought a tough battle. Banasura sought the refuge of Shiva who faught on his side. Lord Krishna severed all of Banasura’s hands except four. Krishna then told Shiva “ Iam you and you are me. Those who show hatred against me or you though a devotee of either shall attain hell. I as Brahma create, as Rudra destroy and as Vishnu protect. Your devotee is mine and my devotee is yours.I shall not kill Banasura, he being a descendent of Prahlada.” Thus Banasura was consoled and Anirudha was married to Usha. Rudra showed false anger at Banasura and asked him never to join his bhutaganas. A repenting Banasura asked for parihara when he said that a dip in the holy waters of Papavinashini teertha at Thiruthangal will cleanse him of his sin. Banasura did so and rejoined Rudragana. Thus those who visit this kshetra will beget their lost status and also beget a good groom. Victory be to him who visits this kshetra.
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Dear Freinds
Sivananda states: “Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same entity. They are essentially one and the same. They are the names given to the different aspects of the all-pervading Supreme Parabrahman the Supreme Being or the Absolute. ‘Sivasya hridayam vishnur-vishnoscha hridayam sivah—Vishnu is the heart of Shiva and likewise Shiva is the heart of Vishnu’.”
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Dear Blogger,
i think u hv to be more open u mind. The very first thing the god is one only. We can call him by the name of Shiva, Narayana or any other. U said ur points on the bases of “Gita”. But i know that in Gita, Krishna ( Human consciousness) said that all is one. So u must be provide same respect all others god.
Vishnav, Shivasam, are a group of people, who follow their preferable theory.
but hindu dharma and concepts come from Aryans. Who came india 2000 bc – 1000 bc. But in very past when human first god is Shiv and Sakti, it’s proofed. Before hindu dharma Harappians pray lord shiva and before of all that in Bindha parvat “Sabar” tribe worship Devi Chandi. Also Mayan Civilization people worship pashupatinath.
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Original indian foundation to create not truth based proof only fraud theft temptation an illusion and doubt to arise and jealousy and hatred and deceit etc natural nature habit knowingly countless human in body brain with blood before human born present still real fact in all over the world/an earth. World crime will be an immortal.
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Bramha – creator, Vishnu – preserver, Shiva – destructor.
All 3 are equally important, in absence of any of the above it is impossible for any creature to live. Suppose we being a human being the basic necessities are food, clothes and shelter for this there has to be enough resources on earth in order to be alive. The one who creates the resources (Bramha). But only creation does not serves the purpose there has to be someone to preseve and protect these resources (Vishnu). In order to utilize these resources to fulfill our basic need we need to destruct its form (Shiva).
Suppose you are feeling hungry and you find fruits on trees, you will pluck it and eat. This is a form of destruction. In the same manner if you want to build a house you will destruct various resources and will build it.
This is an on-going process even at micro as well as macro level. Every energy is created, preseved and destructed for some reason else everything will become standstill.
The most powerful god is Bramhavishnumahesh.
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you guys have no idea… what are you saying ..
lord vishnu…….. shiva…..brahmma = god
if you want to live .. you need brain , heart, liver kidney .. all of these parts are important
they just do their separate jobs. so ur entire body can live.
god… just divide the job three parts
vishnu do his job
shiva do his job
brahmma do his job
so don’t compare … they are equally important …
respect each other.
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what you say, means that the way heart, brain, lungs are important for a body,the same way all gods are important, but it doesn’t mean that all gods are supreme. there is only one supreme god and that’s vishnu.
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Neither of the god says i am supreme than others but only devotees of particular god is saying it…
being a true devotee of god(vishnu,shiva or brahma),showing full love devotion towards god itself made them to go blind because of imagining god as in human form..
Truth is not about following which god is supreme,it is only about the path you choose to live all your life…
Every souls in the world is going to attain moksha one day..,it may be after one birth or two or maybe more…
Every happenings in the world is gods will (even it was a sin or good)
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Mr. Gobi,
You are wrong when you say, “Neither of the God says i am supreme than others.”
Krishna, in the Bhagavad Gita (7.7), has categorically said that He is Supreme than others.
Hare Krishna.
Niraj Bidawatka, Editor
The Hare Krishna Revolution
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All are correct human being less power to judge the Gods We know only two visible god sun and moon Om nama shivaya.om hari and om Bramah God is with you please compare with gods and improve god in you.
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I have controlled my language in the first comment! but I will not control it this time. you idiots don’t known the meaning of demigods it’ a word which originated in greece which mean half god half human. it mean when a particular god mate with some human. As far as I know that In all avatars for Vishnu krishna is shown as making love to many woman. for example Radha,Rohini who he saved from Narakasura,then came Rukmini, etc. I don’t believe that mahadeva have that kind of character because he only married Adi Sakti. As far as I know Shiva is called Mahadev because he is the supreme godhead. As all gods worship him. how Mahadev came to existence no one knows even Brahma and Vishnu tried to find out but failed and accept him as supreme head. Mahadev granted a wish to Vishnu that he would be equally worshiped as Shiva and for telling lie Brahma told that no one will worship him and no temple will be erected in his honour. In one of the comment I saw some one telling that Shiva gifted sudarshana chakra to Vishnu. the real story behind it is that Mahadev destroyed the first chakra of Vishnu in order to bring back Vishnu from Hell were some woman took a wish from Vishnu that he would leave rest of his duties and leave with them. after the battle was over Mahadev gave a new chakra to Mahadev and and named it sudarshan Chakra. In another comment of your’s I saw that you told that Ram kill Ravan and he was a devotee of Shiva. the truth is when Ram was born Ravan came name him. After seeing the child he understood that he was no ordinary child and ask him to show his true from then Vishnu showed him his real form. after see that The child is Vishnu himself he wish to die in Vishnu hand. Vishnu refuse to kill him telling that he is very kind and humble being . than Ravan wished that he should become proud and cruel. Vishnu granted him the wish . thats how vishnu killed Ravan. As far as Shiva not saving his devotees Mahadev do not tolerate bad beings whoever it is. Shiva hited Vishnu with His trishul and Vishnu took it as a sign to to be humble and not necome proud. In Vishnu Puran Vishnu is a devotee of Mahadev and is alway at the service of Mahadev. Even Vishnu Fears Mahadevs Rudra rup and tries not to awaken it. In episode of our mythology we saw that Vishnu and all gods prayed to Mahadev to take the Venom. Mahadev did most of the sacrifice for the universe. for example he spilted into shiv and Sakti so that Bhrma can make woman. He lost Sati (incarnations of Sakti) , he have to cut his sons head,etc and you fool are calling him a demigod . A shame on you and your pathetic followers. You should know that Vishnu or Krishna only becomes happy when you worship and respect Mahadev. Krishna erected many temple in honor of Mahadev. Biggest devotee of Vishnu ,Narad is a student of Mahadev. Vishnu called Mahadev Jagat guru. Vishnu also said that if someone dishonours Mahadev he will himself come to destroy them. Vishnu said half of his heart is dedicated to Mahadev. So if you fool do not want to die in the hands of your Lord then stop telling idiotic thing about Mahadev or else Vishnu will himself come to destroy you and your organisation.
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Rudra is described as being born of nArAyaNa, the son of Brahma and as a jivA who cannot grant moksha in various sections of the mahAbhArata. Here are select points:
1) Rudra was born from Vishnu
We have already quoted the section from sAnti parva where Krishna describes that he worshipped the antaryAmin of Rudra. He also states there that Rudra is born of his wrath, and that Rudra carries out the function of dissolution, simply as an agent being instructed by Sriman Narayana.
In the same sAnti parva, Arjuna asks Krishna the following:
Arjuna -“While felling the enemies with arrows in the battlefield, I find a Person standing ahead of me. He is brilliant like Agni, with a Trisula in the hand. In whichever direction he goes, my enemies in that direction are burnt and killed by him. I follow him and attack the same persons, who have already been attacked by him. Onlookers are unaware of this truth and think that my enemies have indeed been attacked and felled by me.”
To this, Krishna replies,
Krishna – “Under my protection, you have won a great victory in Battle. Know, O Son of Kunti, that he whom you saw going before you in battle was none other than Rudra also known as Devadeva and Kapardin. They say he is Kala (time or reckoner of death for souls), Born of my Wrath. Those foes you have slain were, in fact slain by him. Hence adore with a controlled mind, that Umapati, Devadeva, of immeasurable greatness, Maheswara, the Changeless (in yoga).”
Note the bolded words, “Born of my Wrath”. This shows again, as in many, many quotes, that Rudra was born of Narayana.
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Mahabharata clearly says
mahAdevaH sarvamedhe mahAtmA hutvA AtmAnaM devadevo babhUva
This clearly indicates that Rudra Performed Sarvamedha yagna and prayed to Lord Vishnu to become Mahadeva.
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Brahma-Rudra dialogue in Shanti Parva
And again, in the Shanti Parva, we have the following incident where Brahma declares Siva is his son, and Siva again addressed Brahma as his father:
atrApy udAharantImam itihAsaM purAtanam
brahmaNA saha saMvAdaM tryambakasya vizAM pate
“In this connection is cited the old narrative of the discourse between Brahma, O king, and the Three-eyed Mahadeva.”
(skipping a few verses that describe the Ocean of Milk and the mountain on which Brahma resides)
atha tatrAsatas tasya caturvaktrasya dhImataH
lalATaprabhavaH putraH ziva AgAd yadRcchayA
AkAzenaiva yogIzaH purA trinayanaH prabhuH
“While the four-faced Brahma of great intelligence was seated there, his son Siva, who had sprung from his forehead encountered him one day in course of his wanderings through the universe. In days of yore, the Three-eyed Siva endued with puissance and high Yoga, while proceeding along the sky, beheld Brahma seated on that mountain”
tataH khAn nipapAtAzu dharaNIdharamUrdhani
agrataz cAbhavat prIto vavande cApi pAdayoH
“Therefore, he (Siva) dropped down quickly on its top. With a cheerful heart he presented himself (to Brahma) and worshipped at his (Brahma’s) feet.”
taM pAdayor nipatitaM dRSTvA savyena pANinA
utthApayAmAsa tadA prabhur ekaH prajApatiH
“Beholding Mahadeva prostrated at his feet, Brahma took him up with his hand. Brahma, that puissant and one Lord of all creatures thus raised Mahadeva up, ”
uvAca cainaM bhagavAMz cirasyAgatam Atmajam
svAgataM te mahAbAho diSTyA prApto ‘si me ‘ntikam
kaccit te kuzalaM putra svAdhyAyatapasoH sadA
nityam ugratapAs tvaM hi tataH pRcchAmi te punaH
“The Grandsire said, ‘Welcome art thou, O thou of mighty arms. By good luck I see thee after such a long time come to my presence. I hope, O son, that everything is right with thy penances and thy Vedic studies and recitations. Thou art always observant of the austerest penances. Hence I ask thee about the progress and well-being of those penances of thine!”
Then, Rudra replies as follows:
tvatprasAdena bhagavan svAdhyAyatapasor mama
kuzalaM cAvyayaM caiva sarvasya jagatas tathA
Rudra said, ‘O illustrious one, through thy grace, all is well with my penances and Vedic studies. It is all right, again, with the universe.
(Then Brahma explains to Rudra the meaning of ‘Purusha’. We find here two invaluable shlokas that show the supremacy of Sriman Narayana):
brahmovAca
zRNu putra yathA hy eSa puruSaH zAzvato ‘vyayaH
akSayaz cAprameyaz ca sarvagaz ca nirucyate
na sa zakyas tvayA draSTuM mayAnyair vApi sattama
saguNo nirguNo vizvo jJAnadRzyo hy asau smRtaH
azarIraH zarIreSu sarveSu nivasaty asau
vasann api zarIreSu na sa lipyati karmabhiH
mamAntarAtmA tava ca ye cAnye dehasaMjJitAH
sarveSAM sAkSibhUto ‘sau na grAhyaH kena cit kva cit
Brahma said,–‘Listen, O son, as to how that Purusha is indicated. He is eternal and immutable. He is undeteriorating and immeasurable. He pervades all things. O best of all creatures, that Purusha cannot be seen by thee, or me, or others. Those that are endued with the understanding and the senses but destitute of self-restraint and tranquility of soul cannot obtain a sight of him. The Supreme Purusha is said to be one that can be seen with the aid of knowledge alone. Though divested of body, He dwells in every body. Though dwelling, again, in bodies, He is never touched by the acts accomplished by those bodies. He is my Antaratma (inner soul). He is thy inner soul. He is the all-seeing Witness dwelling within all embodied creatures and engaged in marking their acts. No one can grasp or comprehend him at any time.
The last two lines have been quoted by Sri Adi Shankara in Brahma Sutra Bhashya (2.1.1) showing that this section, unlike other Saiva interpolations in the Mahabharata, are indeed authentic.
After this, Brahma declares to Rudra who exactly this Purusha is:
tatra yaH paramAtmA hi sa nityaM nirguNaH smRtaH
sa hi nArAyaNo jJeyaH sarvAtmA puruSo hi saH
‘The truth is that He who is the Supreme Soul is always devoid of Rajas and Tamas (nirguNa). He is nArAyaNa. He is the universal soul, and he is the one Purusha.’
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The above statements are not taken from any Puranas.The Big Bang theory states that everything emerged from one
Singularity.
If Vishnu is that Singularity, the Big Bang is the blossoming of the
lotus from His navel.Brahma creates by converting Vishnu’s energy into matter.
Shiva is the Big Crunch and destroys by converting Brahma’s
matter back into Vishnu’s energy.
Thus, “Shivascha Hridayam Vishnu, Vishnoscha Hridayam Shiva”
(Shiva’s heart is Vishnu and Vishnu’s heart is Shiva) establishes
the link between energy and matter (e=mc^2)
Similarly, “Tad Vishnor Paramam Padam” (Vishnu’s kingdom is the
highest) highlights the superiority of energy over everything else . so ultimately they are one. But everything comes from Lord Narayana. Go and read Bhagavad Gita. Hari Om…
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Give this guys some lolipop! They are band of fools who read some children comic and took the conclusion. Have ever read vedas or any thing like it? Vedas clearly state that Shiva is the supreme god. The is the creator as well as the destroyer. Vishnu is merely a preserver of universe and brahma came from his belly. Lets ask a simple question how many post does Vishnu and brahma together held? I can easily say Mahadev more post than them.
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I don’t want comment as to who came first and who is supreme.
However if go by scientific data then Vishnu and his avatars have the largest following in India and world. There are more Rama and Krishna temples in India and abroad.
One of the most visited temples ( more than 75000 people visit per day) in the world is Lord Venkateshwara of Tirupati and he is said to be Maha Vishnu.
The guy who has critizied Lord Krishna the most in this comment thread is “Vasudewa Ram Narayane Nanayakkara” …….and I hope he realizes that Vasudewa = Name of Krishna
Ram = Avatar of Vishnu
Narayane = Lord Vishnu
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Heyy everybody! Are you all hindu? I don’t think so. If yes, Then why are you all making fun of god. Have you anybody seen to god. If not then why you are giving your conclusion. Let it be leave on god. Can Anyone of you tell me that what is the proof that whatever has written on shashtra, geeta, vedas is true. I mean do you know that person who really wrote these. If You all have discrimination in your point of view so i want to tell you all that those who has written these vedas may also had discrimination. That is why there is written different things about god in different vedas and shashtras.
I hope you all will understand this that life and death is only realty nothing else is reality.
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People doubting God Shiv are fools.
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I am big devotee of Lord Ayyappa who is so powerful. Lord Ayyappa is the manifested power of both Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu. May be both Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva would have fed up when people started comparing them. Hanuman is one of the incarnation of Lord Shiva and he appeared as a servant of Lord Rama who is an incarnation of of Lord Vishnu. Before Mahabharatha war started Arjuna meditated in forest to please Lord Shiva. Once Lord Vishnu saved Lord Shiva from Bhasmasura who wanted to test the boom received from Lord Shiva on Lord himself. After long meditation when Jayadradha asked for a boon from Lord, Shiva denied him boom that Pandavas can not be defeated since Lord Krishna is with them. My conclusion is that both Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva is the two sides of the same coin.
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Vaishnavas are relying only on few Puranas to justify that lord vishnu is Supreme. But why cant you people refer vedas.
1.”Rudra by day, Rudra at night we honour with these our songs, the Universe’s Father. Him great and lofty, blissful, undecaying let us call specially as the Sage impels us. ” (Rigveda 6:49:10)
2. tryambakam yajAmahe sugandhim pusti vardhanam
urvArukamiva bandhanAn mrtyormukshIya mAmrtAt (Rigveda 7:59:12
3. To Rudra bring these songs, whose bow is firm and strong, the self-dependent God with swiftly-flying shafts,The Wise, the Conqueror whom none may overcome, armed with sharp-pointed weapons: may he hear our call.”(Rigveda 7:46:1)
4.The Maruts deck their beauty for thy glory, yea, Rudra! for thy birth fair, brightly-coloured.
That which was fixed as Visnu’s loftiest station-therewith the secret of the Cows thou guardest (Rigveda 5:3:3)
5. “Supreme Brahman, the Absolute Reality, has become an androgynous Person in the form of Umamaheshvara, dark blue and reddish brown in hue, absolutely chaste and possessing uncommon eyes. Salutations to Him alone who is the Soul of the universe or whose form is the universe” (Yajurveda Taittariya Aranyaka 10:23:1)
SHIVA IS SUPREME
Aum Namah Shivaya
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In Krishna avatar when Krishna wanted to bring some tree Kalpa Vriksha from Indra, he worshiped Shiva for blessings and that is known as Gopeshwara Mahadeva in vrindavana meaning Ishwara (God) of Gopal (Krishna). Also when Krishna wanted to have a son, he asked sages and from their advice he prayed to Lord Shiva to get a son. If Krishna was Vishnu against who nothing will happen, why he said that “Shive Sarvadhi Sadhike” means nothing happens without Shiva’s will, so please bless me with son!! when the Mahabharata was about to be battled he asked Pandavas to have bliss of Shiva first and arranged a Pooja of Shiva Linga.
In Bhagwata Purana also, there is a story about Lakshmi Devi’s unhappiness with Vishnu because Vishnu told her that half area of his heart is dedicated to Lord Shiva only. And in the rest of the half, all the creatures of world and all deities including her wife Lakshmi lives!
Parashurama is also considered as great devotee of Shiva, Shiva gave him Parashu (axe), for which Parashurama is famous for.
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This may be a shock to all you religious people. All the GODS of the world were no other then ancient Aliens who visited earth. There is no such thing as magic. Some intelligent being created humans on earth and among stars. Belive it or not.
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Puranas are stories created approximately 500BC or so.God is only one and is jyothi swaroopa. One can worship him in any form as formless concept is probably difficult to understand. So you have Lord Shiva,Lord Vishnu,Lord Ganapathi, Lord Rama , Goddess parvathi,Lakshmi, Saraswathi etc. In my view all are forms (male or female) of the supreme power.
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these iskcon brainwashed hindu radicals are shame to hinduism. These so called dasas or dasis force you to chant krishna’s name all your life. They preach that krishna is the mightiest and every other god is a servant, what a shame. Śiva is Vishnu. Vishnu is Śiva. Śiva resides in Vishnu’s heart and Vishnu resides in Śiva’s heart. One who doesn’t see differences between them lives safe and long.
Next time you see iskcon idiots knocking your door distributing fake bhagwatgeetha books and begging for money, just call cops.
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I am totally perplexed by these stories .some mentioned lord Shiva as supreme and some Krishna but it’s a belief that lord Vishnu is originated from within Shiva( read the story of shivling)but I have a question for vaisnavs that if lord Vishnu is supreme then why is he got stranded in material nature things such as god,garlands ,radiant clothes etc and in Gita lord Krishna says to arjuna- those who are far from materialistic things would be accepted in vaikuntha.however he himself got absorbed in these things.kindly answer if you have.
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Hinduism already fragmented into various sects….dear / holy persons please don’t start a race between 3 gods and stop yourself from DECORATING judge seat …..In VISHNUPURANA and SHIVAPURANA we come across same shlokas implying everything is one ….
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Don’t separate shiva and vishnu they both are equal the Purana ‘s about this gods saying that shiva is supreme in shivapuranam is right but in vishnupuranam saying that shiva is incarnation of lord Vishnu but from this we must learn they both are one as shiva is worshipped by Vishnu’s all 10 incarnations where as there no worship of Shiva towards any god because he is real a mahakaal means he doesn’t have birth and death so you must think that a story in shivapuranam says that bramha has banned for worship this means the Shiva Purana has existed before vishnupuranam this true because in Hinduism all gods were worshipped by people but bramha doesn’t have any devotees because of Shiva shrap so the story is real where there is no evidence of bramha was not worshipped in vishnupuranam so both gods are equal so that is they called shivakesvalu they United and saying that all are equal people also must be united always
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