Scientists Bravely Going to Hell

Śrīla Prabhupāda: A sensible man will take a good lesson, but a rascal will never take a good lesson. There is a story of a great poet named Kālidāsa, who was a great rascal also. Once, Kālidāsa was sitting on the branch of a tree and simultaneously cutting it. A gentleman asked him, “Why are you cutting this tree limb? You will fall down.”

Kālidāsa replied, “No, no, I will not fall down.” So he kept cutting the limb, and he fell down. The conclusion is that he was a rascal because he would not take good advice. By their so-called scientific advancement, scientists are going to hell. But they do not listen when they are told; therefore they are rascals. Rascals repeatedly make a plan, see it frustrated, and again make another plan. This plan is also frustrated, so they make another plan. Yet when we try to explain to them that all their materialistic plans will be unsuccessful and useless, they refuse to listen. That is rascaldom. The rascals repeatedly chew the chewed. At home, in the street, at the nightclub, at the theater—wherever he is, sex in its different varieties is his only pleasure.

Student: Śrīla Prabhupāda, one could say that that is bravery.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes, you can say that, but that bravery is their rascaldom. They are bravely going to hell, that’s all. Once, one man was chasing another man, and the man who was chasing asked, “Why are you fleeing? Are you afraid of me?” The other man replied, “I am not afraid of you. Why should I not run? Why should I stop?”

In the same way, the gross materialist is bravely going to hell. “Why should I stop with my sinful activities?” he says. “I will bravely face any reaction.”

Dr. Singh: They are crazy.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes, crazy. The Vedas say that once a man becomes crazy, or haunted by ghosts, he speaks all kinds of nonsense. Similarly, anyone under the influence of the material energy is crazy. Therefore he talks only nonsense, that’s all. Though scientists are not expert in science, they are expert in bluffing others and juggling words.

Mystic Television

Dr. Singh: They now have things they did not have before, like telephones, televisions, airplanes, missiles and many other new discoveries.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: But there are better telephones that they do not know about. In Bhagavad-gītā, Sanjaya demonstrated this when he was sitting with his master, Dhrtarāstra, and relating all the affairs that were taking place far away on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra. Sanjaya’s vision was actually greater than the telephone. It was mystic television. It was television within the heart, for he was sitting in a room far from the battlefield and still seeing everything that was occurring there. In Bhagavad-gītā, Dhrtarāstra inquired of Sanjaya, “How are my sons and nephews? What are they doing?” Then Sanjaya described how Duryodhana was going to Dronācārya, what Dronācārya was speaking, how Duryodhana was replying, and so on. Even though these activities were too far away to be seen by ordinary eyes, Sanjaya could see and describe them through his mystic power. That is real science.

Dr. Singh: Some scientists say that we have improved on nature by making things like plastic and medicine.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: In Vedic times people ate on silver and golden plates, but now the scientists have improved things with plastic plates. [Laughter.]

Dr. Singh: The plastic has become a great problem because they cannot get rid of it. There is no way to dispose of it. It just continues to pile up.

Here Is the Proof

Dr. Wolf-Rottkay: The materialists would be more sincere if they said, “We don’t want to be taken out of our dream. We want to continue trying to enjoy our senses with all our machines.” But they will not admit that their attempts to enjoy always fail.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: That is their foolishness. Eventually they have to admit it.

Dr. Wolf-Rottkay: But they say, “Try, try again.”

Śrīla Prabhupāda: How can they try? Suppose you cannot see because you are suffering from cataracts. If you try to see—you try, try, try, try, try. Is that the cure for cataracts? No. You will never be cured like that. You must go to a physician, who will perform a surgical operation to restore your eyesight. You cannot see by trying and trying.

Dr. Wolf-Rottkay: That is just what they do not want to accept—that all their efforts to know the truth by materialistic science have failed.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: They are foolish. They will not take good advice. If you give a rascal some good advice, he will become angry, just like a serpent. Suppose you bring a serpent into your home and say, “My dear serpent, please live with me. Every day I will give you nice food—milk and bananas.” The snake will be very pleased, but the result will be that its poison will increase, and one day you will say, “Ah!” [imitates a bitten person.]

Dr. Wolf-Rottkay: But the scientists will never give up hope.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Their plans are being frustrated at every moment, but still they are hoping.

Student: Śrīla Prabhupāda, one librarian wanted me to prove that Bhagavad-gītā was five thousand years old. He wanted to see a copy that was written down five thousand years ago.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Suppose I go into a dark room and say to the person inside, “The sun has risen. Come out!” The person in darkness may say, “Where is the proof that there is light? First prove it to me; then I will come out.” I may plead with him, “Please, please, just come out and see.” But if he does not come out to see, he remains ignorant, waiting for proof. So, if you simply read Bhagavad-gītā you will see everything. Come and see. Here is the proof.

[This conversation was recorded on December 7, 1973, on the shores of the Pacific Ocean near Los Angeles – an excerpt from “LIFE COMES FROM LIFE” available at your nearest Hare Krishna Center.]


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